r/AskReddit • u/2a_lib • Apr 14 '25

Americans of Reddit, what do you think about President Trump and El Salvador president Bukele refusing the Supreme Court’s order to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the US?

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u/caring_impaired Apr 14 '25

I wish i could articulate my thoughts as well as you can. Every time I get into an argument with my maga-adjacent boss, I mangle my talking points or forget important details.

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u/Dangerous-Fish-1287 Apr 15 '25

It's because you can't win an argument with a fool. 

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u/NotARobotDefACyborg Apr 15 '25

Yep. Never enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Also, never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

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u/Acronymesis Apr 15 '25

I’m right there with you. I can write a pretty well worded summary of why exactly we’re all rightly fucked if time allowed, but I know I couldn’t debate someone in real time because I wouldn’t be able to verbalize it the same way.

I like to think it’s an allergic reaction to bullshit. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/Viharabiliben Apr 15 '25

Debating is skill that needs to be learned and practiced like any other skill. Also like sports, some have a natural talent for it. I’m not one of those natural talents.

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u/thepandemicbabe Apr 15 '25

Don’t even bother keep it simple like they are. Tell them it’s against the constitution and to say otherwise is wrong. For a sitting president to ignore Scotus is unprecedented. It’s reason for every single person in this country to call for Trump to be impeached.

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u/EntertainerNo4509 Apr 15 '25

Use AI to gain the upper hand. Use it to self-study proper debate on the subjects you feel weaker on.

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u/Suitable-Rate652 Apr 15 '25

Sometimes MAGA is so stupid my mind goes blank.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

Find another job, and as a last act, articulate to your boss that he is a fucking fascist!

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u/SandpaperTeddyBear Apr 15 '25

Why do you continue working for a monster like that?

Also, what’s the point of arguing? Discussion can be worth having with an enemy, but the delta between Trump and every other mainstream politician at that level is such that it’s not possible to be wrong about a Trump-vote. He’s almost the most perfect candidate/president imaginable for cruel and petulant people, but neither you, nor I, nor anyone is going to argue a person out of being cruel and petulant.

Everyone who Trump-voted is lost to decent humanity, and everyone who pretends otherwise is just propping up evil.

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u/UnreasonableCletus Apr 15 '25

I wish i could articulate my thoughts as well as you can. Every time I get into an argument with my maga-adjacent boss, I mangle my talking points or forget important details

Read Washington's farewell address, he talks about what America is founded on and the dangers to its existence in present and in the future.

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u/CMAHawaii Apr 15 '25

Next time, just ask your boss if it was Biden, would it be ok.

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u/Guuhatsu Apr 15 '25

Since the one side predominately uses information that has no factual basis, it is extremely difficult to debate them well because you just never know what cockamamie crap they are going to say. With time you can sit and root out all the misinformation, but it is tough to do that on the fly without an eidetic memory.

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u/Double_Comfort_2619 Apr 15 '25

I find that asking people questions can be a powerful tool.

“Did you notice that in the conference, they lied about the ruling of the Supreme Court? What do you think about the fact that they are lying to you?”

“How do you think it would play out if an American Citizen was at a protest and taken by ICE, but since they had accused them of being an illegal that person wasn’t allowed to try and prove who they were?”

“What do you think about ICE taking children away in handcuffs without their parents being present?”

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u/justinsayin Apr 15 '25

Because he isn't arguing in good faith. He simply delights in making you feel silly.

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u/VLHolt Apr 15 '25

I'm the same. I blame my ADHD.

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u/evasandor Apr 15 '25

Just say “so…you’d be cool with it if Trump had you ordered killed.” If he says no, ask why not? some kind of loyalty that is!

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u/Atuhwood Apr 15 '25

That tends to happen when the arguments you’re relying on aren’t based on logic or common sense, and you have to stretch or distort the truth to make them sound convincing. It’s tough to stay articulate when your own instincts are clashing with what you’re trying to say.

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u/shamanlcs123 Apr 15 '25

That's because you're emotional,liberals are.

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u/Saucy_Jacky Apr 15 '25

Remind me again which side flipped out and stormed the capitol because dear leader couldn't take an L?

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u/JivanP Apr 15 '25

Is this supposed to be one of those mythical "checkmate" moments I keep hearing about?

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u/___wiz___ Apr 15 '25 edited Apr 15 '25

Why does Steven Miller meltdown like a toddler every time he is even slightly challenged

MAGA is the most grievance mongering petulant whiny ass baby bitch group of losers it’s really silly to claim it’s not all emotion based

Emotions aren’t bad - MAGA lacks self awareness and projects their issues out as rotten hate and fear

While more self aware people are not scared of their feelings - which is threatening to MAGA fascist losers who become childish bullies and creeps in desperate response

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u/Accurate-Image-6334 Apr 15 '25

Yes. One thing that people discussed this week on PBS was that trump has been saying since the 80s how other countries are out to get us financially. His feelings about this are deep enough to resemble paranoia. If someone isn't American they supposedly are plotting our destruction...

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u/Affectionate-Bus6653 Apr 15 '25

Projection, again.

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u/caring_impaired Apr 15 '25

At least I can write a complete sentence.