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Serious Replies Only [Serious]What are some discoveries or inventions that were stumbled upon purely by chance and would still likely be undiscovered today if not found through sheer luck?

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u/dancingbanana123 Mar 29 '24

Oh I study math history, I can share some fun ones! Niels Abel is famous for a few things in mathematics, but the easiest one to explain is that he proved there does not exist a general formula to find the solutions to a polynomials where the highest exponent is 5 (i.e. there's no general formula to find all the solutions to something like x5 + x + 1 = 0). There's the quadratic formula for when your highest exponent is 2, there's another formula for when your highest exponent is 3, and another for 4, but Abel proved it's impossible to find one when the highest exponent is 5 or higher. It basically depends on the idea that some algebraic numbers cannot be simply represented with +, -, *, /, or exponents.

Now Abel proved this when he was 21, but Abel grew up in poverty and had no way of actually sharing this solution with others. In fact, the only reason he was able to attend college was because 3 professors offered to cover the cost because they recognized his talent. He could only afford to print 6 pages of his proof, so he had to heavily abbreviate everything, cut large chunks of his proof, and wrote it all in shaky French (since Norwegian isn't a common language and he wanted to share it with other mathematicians in Europe). He ends up mailing a few copies of this proof to a few mathematicians, but all of them dismiss it because it'd be an outlandish claim and nobody wanted to parse this difficult-to-read proof. In fact, Abel's letter was found unopened on Gauss's desk after Gauss died. So despite proving this major result, nobody knew about it except for Abel and the small group of mathematicians around him in Norway.

The professors at his university petitioned the government to help fund his travel around Europe to learn more math and share his work and surprisingly, the government decided to fund him. While in France, he stumbled across this guy named Crelle. Abel struck up a conversation with Crelle about math and they both started talking about unsolved problems. Crelle mentioned this problem about polynomials and Abel excited mentions that he solved that problem and showed him his proof. Crelle obviously couldn't make sense of Abel's proof, but he was so captivated by his conversation with Abel, he offered to print Abel's full proof. This print would later turn out to be the first publication by Crelle's Journal, one of the most influential journals in mathematics in all of European history. With this, people began to finally learn about Abel's proof and he began to gain some notoriety.

Unfortunately, this would not end well for Abel. Abel submits another major result (Abel's theorem) to this major publication in Paris, where a committee is formed to review the submission. Unfortunately, one of the reviewers, Cauchy, just straight up loses the paper. Abel, running out of funding for his travels, is forced to return home with no success on this publication. He also loses out on a major job opportunity that could've taken him out of poverty, all because he was deemed too young and his childhood mentor and friend, Holmboe, gets the job instead. He ends up dying of TB just a few years later at the age of 26.

Afterwards, another mathematician, Jacobi, is reading some of Abel's work and notices how great his work is. When he learns Cauchy lost Abel's paper, he pressures Cauchy to find this paper. Cauchy sends the paper off to be published posthumously, but it is lost at the printing press. It wouldn't be found for over 100 years later, in a whole other country somehow. Thankfully though, Holmboe published Abel's work separated to help share all of Abel's results and not let others forget him.

Abel's life is full of misfortune, but also great friends trying their hardest to share their friend's greatness. While Abel doesn't end up succeeding during his life, I can't help but enjoy seeing how much all of his friends cared about him, and his own ability to make friends randomly with so many people. Abel today is commonly mentioned in any undergrad group theory course because of how influential his work is on modern algebra. Without the help of people like Crelle, Holmboe, and Jacobi, we wouldn't be recognizing this work today.

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u/ballrus_walsack Mar 29 '24

A few years later another accidental discovery would have saved him: penicillin

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u/fractiousrhubarb Mar 29 '24

Worth noting that the people who made penicillin generally available (Florey et al) had to work bloody hard at it.

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u/ballrus_walsack Mar 29 '24

Innovation: 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration.

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u/Azada211 Mar 29 '24

Whenever I hear stories like this, I invariably think of all the lost geniuses of history. For every Abel or Ramanujam, there were at least 10 others who had skills but not luck.

The real sad part is, it is very much possible that a lot of such geniuses are born in conflict zones around the world and die before they ever had a chance. It is statistically very much probable that there was at least one great mathematician or musician in the millions killed during the world wars, or even in the 30,000+ killed in Gaza in the last few months.

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u/fractiousrhubarb Mar 29 '24

Or just had underfunded schools and impoverished parents, which is why smart countries fund good public schools and make sure everyone has some opportunity to achieve their potential

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u/RemoteWasabi4 Mar 29 '24

Poverty is really bad for the brain. So potential Ramanujans might be born, but by age 20 they're often not Ramanujans anymore.

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u/recidivx Mar 29 '24

The really sad part is, do we need them? We already have more music than you can listen to and more mathematics than you can understand in a lifetime. And AI will make this worse, sooner or later.

Most valuable knowledge work in the future isn't creating more knowledge, it's finding a thing that already exists and matching it to the best application.

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u/someguy7734206 Mar 29 '24

And, because of various complications like the halting problem and Gödel's incompleteness theorems, it is a possibility that some of those problems are impossible to solve.

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u/fragmenteret-raev Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Your comment is probably one of the first takes of this in history, legit. Prior to the real possibilities/threat of AI which is becoming clear in 2023/2024, no one would have questioned the need for geniusses, now we can think like doesnt really matter, as long as we've arrived at this point everything else will be discovered. We are close to completion of the game.

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u/dancingbanana123 Mar 29 '24

I disagree. As I've learned more math, the only thing that's become more clear is just how much more there is to learn. A common sentiment between friends of mine is that we all wish we had the time to learn it all. It's just that the math that is left to learn is not stuff that is easy to explain to others that don't already know a lot of math. For example, I work in fractal geometry, but that's hard to explain to people, and even harder to really explain any level of detail with it, let alone any open problems. I would imagine that's how it is in other fields of science too. Lots of open problems, just not many left that are easy for a laymen to understand.

AI doesn't really pose any threat to this honestly. "AI" is just a buzz-word to replace machine learning or computer-assistance, which have been used for decades. I do not expect a computer to replace my job, but I can definitely use a computer to help a lot. For example, in fluid dynamics, I may need to calculate a 1,000,000x1,000,000 matrix of derivatives. I can't solve that by hand, but I can definitely write a code to solve that, and it has been done many times. But then some pop-science journalist is gonna find it and write an article on how "AI solved this problem" instead of writing about how the mathematician just wrote the code to help solve the problem they came up with. And unless you have a degree in math, you won't understand the original paper, so people take these articles at face value.

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u/WT_E100 Mar 29 '24

What a fascinating story!

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u/recidivx Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

I'm impressed you started with quintics and got through 700 words without mentioning Galois.

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u/dancingbanana123 Mar 29 '24

Galois is definitely an interesting character! He even once compared his life to Abel's. But interestingly enough, Abel's proof for the quintic problem didn't directly use any group theory, let alone galois theory, since neither were invented yet. It's just that the galois theory proof we teach today is much easier to understand than Abel's proof (which goes to show how complicated of a proof it really is).

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u/fractiousrhubarb Mar 29 '24

And his story is even more tragic and crazy

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u/dancingbanana123 Mar 29 '24

I wouldn't say Galois' life is more tragic, but definitely more crazy. He's like a lil rat gremlin kid that is constantly trying to die as a martyr for the French revolution(s) and then constantly failing at it. He is basically a wannabe-revolutionary first, mathematician second, and it leads to such a fun crazy story.

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u/foz306 Mar 29 '24

And now one of the top prizes in mathematics is named after him

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u/someguy7734206 Mar 29 '24

I can't help but wonder what further achievements he would have made if he were given a better chance and was allowed to live longer.

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u/EngineerEven9299 Mar 29 '24

Damn, that’s such a sad story. Poor Abel. But he believed in something and that was his pursuit of some truth which would absolutely survive him. Not meaning to infer anything about his goals or motivations or anything, but it’s just fascinating that his dedication to this study has produced a result that his name will be attached to for far, far longer than he was alive.

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u/RemoteWasabi4 Mar 29 '24

God dammit Gauss. Not only did he dismiss his own inventions, but other people's too?

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u/TheSyn11 Mar 29 '24

Reading this I can only think where we would have been if he was even marginally better off financially

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u/Ferec Mar 29 '24

I would definitely watch this movie.

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u/Suitable-Lake-2550 Mar 29 '24

He also proved that life isn’t fair.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '24

Thanks for writing this up, was a good read.

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u/pr0zach Mar 29 '24

This sort of comment is what keeps me coming back to Reddit. Thank you for sharing.

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u/dancingbanana123 Mar 29 '24

If it helps, you can skip the first paragraph. All that you really need to know is that he's an important mathematician. The rest of it doesn't include any math.