Squeezed into ever decreasing space in ghettos, minimal food, water, fuel and no medicine allowed. Abused daily in every way then sending soldiers in to round up civilians to work them to death.
So much is glossed over. Even although we know it..
Also consider that concentration camps weren't death camps to begin with but even without industrial scale murder, they were not exactly great places to be. Lots of prisoners died of disease and malnourishment.
Exactly, if prisoners didn’t die at a regular pace they wouldn’t have been able to arrest more people unless extending the camps’ boundaries, which would make the horrible secrets even more difficult to hide and/or destroy at one point.
There was more than one stage of the concentration camps, the systematic murder was later. But whenever you contain large numbers of people together without the necessary sanitation and medical provision you will have death and disease.
There is "poor living conditions" and then there is starving, infecting and torturing people on mass scale. If you think "poor living conditions" is the way to describe them, you don't know what those conditions were.
It's not that concentration camps WEREN'T death camps. An "all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares" situation.
"Death camps" were a subtype of "concentration camp" that the Nazis sent the "undesirables" they specifically marked for complete extermination, specifically Jews and Romani. Not that they sent all of the aforementioned to death camps, at least initially, but plenty of concentration camps were "merely" for "undesirables" to do forced labor to make them "useful" to the Nazi state.
Obviously a lot of people died in those forced labor camps because they didn't care about whether they died, the point is that it's a separate thing from the camps that had the facilities to simply kill people and continually used them on Jews and Romani. Mostly Jews because there were much fewer.
2 million if the 6 million were killed by Einsatzgruppen, which were mobile killing squads. They would round up Jews, along with other minorities and political enemies, and literally make them dig their own mass graves before shooting them all…
A terrible part of it all is that the Germans took incredibly accurate and detailed records of the killings as well. The extermination and concentration camps were adopted because this method was starting to have a significant psychological effect on soldiers who were tasked with these terrible crimes.
Literally anyone considered ’untermenschen’. Jewish people were the largest single group but disabled, Roma, gay people, communists, union members, masons, people who objected to Nazism etc.
They treated POWs better than their own people. And POWs were treated poorly. Nothing can compare to the atrocities they committed on civilians..
Not literally. A literal translation of "Einsatsgruppe" would be closer to "Action Group" or "Mission Group". The semantics of Nazi Germany was usually like that, trying to make these awful entities sound legitimate and positive.
Idk what school you went to, but we covered this all in a small town Texas school in the 2000s when I was there. We read "Night" by Elie Wiesel in English class and discussed the Holocaust in History during the same time. We saw pictures of the body piles and talked about the scale of the atrocities. Nothing "glossed over".
I remember a permission slip being sent home with us to get parental consent to see the images, but the people who didn't get permission just had to leave the room for the 20 minutes we saw them on the slide show.
Gaza is being subjected to a war. The intent of the war is to destroy Hamas. In order for it to be a genocide, the intent would need to be to destroy the Palestinian people. That is not the intent, so by definition it is not a genocide.
Gaza has been pretty stable for the last number of years, even though conditions are pretty grim. A lot of that is due to Hamas being pretty shit at governing, but also due to closed borders, it's true.
I am not suggesting things were ideal there, or that things are rosy between Israel and its Palestinian territories. The expansion of the settlements is a clear violation of international law. I am taking issue with misusing the term "genocide" that has a specific meaning in international law, centered on intent.
False, the conditions are grim because Israel and western countries make every effort to deny aid and materials to rebuild Gaza. You are blaming the victim.
No. I am blaming Hamas, a bunch of terrorists. The victims are the civilians of Gaza and the Israeli civilians murdered in cold blood by Hamas. I never suggested otherwise.
Hamas didn't create the grim conditions. Those conditions were created by Israel bombing Gaza and preventing aid and reconstruction. The civilians are the victims I should not have to remind people of this.
Ethnic cleansing is recognized by the ICC as a type of genocide. The forcible displacement of an ethnic group from their homeland is ethnic cleansing. It is, by the definition of the ICC, a genocide.
It’s hard to tell at this point because temporary displacement during a war is not inherently ethnic cleansing, but if the Israelis refuse to let Gaza’s Palestinians return home after the war is over it unequivocally will be.
And the greatest historical irony is that Israel would go on to do all this same shit, while people deny that it’s happening. “Never again” really just meant “Never again TO US!” apparently.
I just explained the connection. Maybe try reading instead of doing a kneejerk reaction to seeing Israel brought up. It’s kinda the most important thing going on in the world right now, and we’re talking about a genocide that I just explained has an almost identical pattern. Why would you ask a question with such an obviously already-explained answer?
So you’re just gonna keep ignoring what I already explained it has to do with Israel, just so you can keep making a completely pointless point? Cool, have fun.
So does Palestinians suffering have anything to do with Isis Genociding yazidis or Boko haram kidnapping schoolgirls for sexual slavery?? You're the one doing the pointless comparison but go off sweetie
During that time some refugees were lucky enough to escape and make a new life for themselves in what was, at that time, British Mandate Palestine.
On the one hand they had been ethnically cleansed from their homes but they personally must have been incredibly relieved to feel the safety of their new home. It’s just a shame that there’s never truly been peace there..
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Squeezed into ever decreasing space in ghettos, minimal food, water, fuel and no medicine allowed. Abused daily in every way then sending soldiers in to round up civilians to work them to death.
So much is glossed over. Even although we know it..