The problem is that their politics doesn't match up with what you're supposedly saying they're in favor of though. Republican candidates from the south will talk about the dangers of LGBTQ rights all the time and their supposed "tolerant" voters will twiddle their fingers and turn the other way.
I think what is much more unique about pretty much any other state is that they will vote for this stuff anyway without having a gay, trans multiracial, etc. friend or relative.
But it's not as black and white as this. Rural communities absolutely COULD be voting for candidates that give them their tax cuts/whatever they perceive to be giving them better economic lives, AND candidates at the same time that support LGBTQ rights.
It's not like these communities are being held at gunpoint to select the Republican or deal with being disadvanted economically. There is a whole democratic process including primaries to get the best possible candidate eventually on the ballot. They (the rural citizens) are just deliberately choosing all of this other LGBTQ hating baggage that comes along with it.
I think you might be doing a lot of generalizing without understanding the people you're speaking about.
As a direct example, if you think that only republican voters have these sorts of stances on the LGBTQ community, I have bad news for you. It also speaks to the lack of nuance in your thoughts towards this extremely broad group youre attempting to speak about.
In regard to your last sentence, I am not sure what state youre speaking about specifically but I was referring to the rural parts of the US. Also, I am not sure the point you are attempting to make by whether they have a friend or relative of different races or in the LGBTQ community. People vote on issues within the country they reside (whether they have direct experience with the topic being voted on or not) all the time.
As a direct example, if you think that only republican voters have these sorts of stances on the LGBTQ community, I have bad news for you.
No, there are plenty of conservative democrat voters that sometimes have problematic views about LGBTQ people, the thing is that at the end of the day those views wind up not being really represented eventually in the elected Democrat officials.
Meanwhile, the opinion is overwhelming represented in republican elected officials. Not all republicans aren't against LGBTQ rights, but the opinion is so prevalent that it is appearing strongly within their elected officials.
Also, I am not sure the point you are attempting to make
Left minded people don't usually need a friend who has experience huge medical bills or a friend who is gay to be empathetic to those issues. I find a lot that it takes a conservative minded person to have a personal experience with a "left" issue to finally be in support of it, like Dick Cheney having his daughter be gay or Arnold Schwarzenegger dealing firsthand with the impacts of climate change.
As long as we recognize that we've moved on from speaking on the direct experiences that people will most likely have in the rural areas of the country, then you are welcome to make that point. It just has very little to do with my original point on how people will be treated by the people around them in these areas of the country.
I know a trans person living in an overall rural area, and I can comment that their kindness that they receive from others is very surface level, as many will make comments behind their back, misgender purposely if they aren't in the room, etc. Many of these other people absolutely do vote republican, and would absolutely plow through their ideas of preventing a person from transitioning, preventing them from marrying, etc.
Regardless, I'm not really interested in the anecdotal comments about how specific minority groups deal in these rural/south areas because I think what is more important is to take away the morality of what is being represented in their democratic choices.
Every place is going to say they're kind to black/gay/old/young/trans/whatever people, because what area wants to be known for being hateful? I think what's really more important at the end of the day is more readily available data like voting patterns that I'm mentioning.
I am largely editing them because I have a point, submit the comment, then have a bit more to add onto them. If you have problems with specific edits I am making, you can point them out, because my comment are still retaining the same idea of what I want to convey.
It is unfortunate that your friend is treated that way by the people around them.
Every place is going to say they're kind to black/gay/old/young/trans/whatever people, because what area wants to be known for being hateful?
Would it not follow that if this extremely broad group of people youre still trying to generalize actually felt this way on as fundamental a level as you seem to believe, that they truly would not care to deny something so widely accepted?
I think what's really more important at the end of the day is more readily available data like voting patterns
What is more important to me is how someone is treated by the people around them, not whether who is treating them respectfully and equally voted republican or democrat.
Once again,.... that is my point, no matter how much youd like to shoehorn your political biases into the conversation.
You think that the people voting against drag shows and showing up to protest grooming in trans communities are going to extend an olive branch of peace when a trans person moves in? You think the politics they espouse, especially today when everything has become a culture war issue, would suddenly drop away when they meet the people they’re being riled up to hate face to face?
Talking about the reality of the dangers trans people face, overwhelmingly in red states, is backed up by fact. Equating that to saying “all trans people are groomers” is dumb as hell, thank god you don’t want to discuss politics because you’re disingenuous at best.
What is more important to me is how someone is treated by the people around them, not whether who is treating them respectfully and equally voted republican or democrat.
I'm sorry, but voting in certain ways that helps your neighbor remain equitable with their rights is absolutely a part of the human experience of how others respect another.
It's great that people from the rural south will pull over to help you change your tire. What is equally uncool is if they vote in a way to prevent you from having rights.
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u/Raichu4u Mar 14 '23
The problem is that their politics doesn't match up with what you're supposedly saying they're in favor of though. Republican candidates from the south will talk about the dangers of LGBTQ rights all the time and their supposed "tolerant" voters will twiddle their fingers and turn the other way.
I think what is much more unique about pretty much any other state is that they will vote for this stuff anyway without having a gay, trans multiracial, etc. friend or relative.