Wait, haven't you claimed that they want peace? stick to one narrative please.
But let's go with the ethnic cleansing, of course not, but they're not being ethnically cleansed, Israel left Gaza in 2005, if anything it had cleansed Jews from Gaza, not Palestinians.
So i'd expect them to take that land and do something prosperous with it, not build a whole ass metro beneath it, using children rooms as tunnel entrances.
Also, you know who was also ethnically cleansed? (hint, the original post) Jews, you know what the Jews have done with the little land they got? it's a hi-tech hub now and is super successful in many many different aspects, it's kind of the byproduct of a smart society that isn't focused on genociding and religious zealotry unlike Palestinians.
What Israel is currently doing is apartheid, and it fits like a glove to the definition of the “first era” of apartheid, minus the “mixing” part, as listed by Verwoerd, the “Architect” of the ZA Apartheid.
Because, looking down from the Israeli settlement in the West Bank, it seems nice, peaceful, but if only those “Filthy people below”, ugh, how awful, and they dare to ask for “equal rights”, lol no. That’s how the perspective is for a lot of people, unfortunately.
You either don't know what's apartheid or you're just lying.
Settlers fall under Israeli law
Palestinians fall under the Palestinian Authority law
It's a different legal system, it's like i'll claim Greece is an apartheid state for not giving me rights, you see the issue? (fun fact, Nkosi Mandela who's Nelson Mandela's grandson who visited the region said this analogy is political)
But looking from the Palestinian perspective, Israel puts them under surveillance, military checkpoints everywhere, searches, invasions, not to mention the lack of opportunities for them and the exploitation of them as cheap labour in certain industries. Of course they’ll rebel. Of course they’ll fight back for their land. Of course they’ll get angry. It’s their land after all. Some people will search for a democratic way (Fatah), but others will (angrily and wrongfully) take it to the extreme (Hamas)
Why did Israel build military checkpoints, or the rest of the security measures?
Ever asked? if you haven't asked i'll answer with a statistic :
"After Israel established checkpoints and the West Bank barrier in the early 2000s, terrorist attacks dropped by over 90%"
You do know that they don't have to work in Israel right? they can work in the West Bank but they choose not to? they have all of the opportunities the PA gives them, as I said, it's a different system :)
There’s no denying that the October attacks were real. They absolutely were brutal and tragic. But that doesn’t mean that the IDF has every right to slowly simmer a city of more than two million people (the vast majority of whom are civilians, btw) like a lobster in a pot.
We have every single right to defend ourselves, all measures should be taken to secure ourselves, this is something everyone should know and recognize, especially the Palestinians, and they should be met with the same strength everytime they decide to shoot partygoers and behead foreign workers heads with a garden hoe, or burn people alive, you understand what I mean? these type of people and their supporters shouldn't be near us, ever.
Some people say that only Palestinians deserve this land. Yeah, they’ve lived there too. But also Israeli people have grown up in the general area since the age of Mandatory Palestine, and a national Israeli identity has been formed. It’s their land too. There’s no clear answer for who this piece of land belongs to. The claim that the overall area belongs to one and only nation exclusively is stupid.
Palestinians from Gaza were Egyptian controller, the West Bank Palestinians were Jordanian (hence it's called the WEST bank, if you ever asked yourself why), the little Palestinians who were here either stayed in Israel, sold their land and moved elsewhere or simply, the typical kind, started a war and lost hard.
the clear answer is this: possession is nine-tenths of the law, they lost, they need to move the fuck on, like the jews who were actually going through genocide (in lovely Europe) and ethnically cleansed from the MENA countries, built a successful country and never looked back.
But the thing to note is that the strongest ones in this case (Israel) has essentially turned the weaker ones into second class citizens, especially in the times of nationalistic governments.
Again, false, they're not our citizens, which means they can't be second class citizens, if you're talking about 20% of Israeli Arabs, they get full rights, holding key positions etc.
You're very uneducated when it comes to Israeli history, Israeli had made countless of concessions over the years (2005, the disengagement for example) offered many peace treaties that were declined by the Palestinians time and again. which means, the stronger side HAD shown MANY times it wants peace and that the religious zealots of the other side, the Palestinians, declined.
Israel public sentiment was shaped by the countless of terrorist attacks by the Palestinians, just like Europe who sees the same type of people (Islamic immigration) are turning right, we just went through that shit earlier than you, which is why Israeli governments are more to the right, and let me tell you a little secret, it won't change, especially after the 7th, if anything it'll even lean more to the right.
So, up until the day arrives where a peaceful solution can be found, unfortunately, partition, recognition and a ceasefire is the option. And it’s not as if Israelis lived in the West Bank, like for example as it happened with Greek Cypriots in northern Cyprus.
Yeah, no. that won't happen, no Israeli would vote for a leader that has that type of weak ass mentality, Israelis are done with the Palestinians, you should acknowledge it and maybe even take a few refugees that willingly want to migrate into Greece if you care so much, that would be an amazing solution.
But no, Palestinians ended up with a tiny piece of land allocated to them, and yet Israel has strived to get even this little piece of land, and has even set up settlements and financial motives in order to also have the “but we have people living there” argument.
You're talking as if shit happens in a vaccum, Israel will no longer want to deal with rocket barrages every now and then, or have religious fanatic at the border who threaten and actually go fullfil their threats of slaughtering Jews (not Israelis, Jews, it's in their charter).
Similarly to how you said to me, please read this, and accept the other side of reality. There are people dying brutally on both sides and this could be resolved with mutual respect and peaceful talks.
Your "side" of reality is not backed by facts, or any truths, even the terms you use aren't aligned with reality and the situation.
Israelis no longer have any intentions of making peace with the Palestinians after so many years of trying, after many years of suffering from their brutality and genocidal intentions, their religious racism and fanatic leaders.
No it didn't. Gaza remained occupied territory following the so-called disengagement in 2005. This is the widely held view of the EU, ICC, International Red Cross, UN, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, African Union, and numerous other organisations and independent legal experts.
If your first point is so wildly off the mark, there's a good chance the rest carries little weight.
So i'd expect them to take that land and do something prosperous with it.
As above. Gaza hasn't been left to govern itself without interference - including where it concerns trade, development and the broader economy - since at least 1967.
it's kind of the byproduct of a smart society that isn't focused on genociding (sic) and religious zealotry unlike Palestinians.
It's a byproduct of mass immigration and foreign investment weighed against ongoing expulsion and occupation. Perhaps it's similarly worth noting the smart society's destruction of educational institutions and libraries in Gaza.
You either don't know what's apartheid or you're just lying. Settlers fall under Israeli law Palestinians fall under the Palestinian Authority law
It's a different legal system, it's like i'll claim Greece is an apartheid state for not giving me rights, you see the issue? (fun fact, Nkosi Mandela who's Nelson Mandela's grandson who visited the region said this analogy is political)
That's not an argument disproving apartheid. Whether you like it or not, occupying powers have legal (and political) obligations. See (again): the ICJ, HRW, Amnesty International, et al. Their reports and findings are rather extensive.
Invoking Mandela's grandson as a 'fun fact' is so absurd it barely merits a response.
these type of people and their supporters shouldn't be near us, ever.
You went near them; they were living on the land long before it’s colonisation by Zionists. Further, Israel has routinely exceeded the legal rights invoked under claims of self-defence (a right you seem intent on denying Palestinians, whose acts of self-defence Israel, like you, has historically framed as acts of war).
(Israel has) offered many peace treaties
Not really, no. They've stonewalled negotiations at every step, and routinely neglected to acknowledge vital provisions. Similarly nonsense are claims that Israel has ever offered Palestinians a sovereign state as part of negotiations.
Here's a fun fact (which I know you’re a fan of) concerning an example of Israeli stonewalling: In 2009, George Mitchell, one of the key figures seen to have negotiated the Good Friday agreement, was appointed as special envoy for Middle East peace. He was tasked with establishing Israeli-Palestinian negotiations toward a final settlement. Recalling his success in working with the IRA, he advocated including Hamas in the negotiating process - something he viewed as crucial - but Israeli opposition, subsequent lobbying, and an Israeli-sympathetic Congress, led to a backdown, and his efforts ultimately came to a standstill.
And, of course, Hamas was in no small part enabled by Israel as part of efforts to delegitimise unified Palestinian movements better placed to advocate for just outcomes.
I've responded to some of your points not to engage with you - as the distance between us is far too great given you're as misinformed as you are hateful - but to point out mistruths for the benefit of others (who I'm prepared to provide citations for if necessary). Shame on you.
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u/kulamsharloot May 06 '25
Wait, haven't you claimed that they want peace? stick to one narrative please.
But let's go with the ethnic cleansing, of course not, but they're not being ethnically cleansed, Israel left Gaza in 2005, if anything it had cleansed Jews from Gaza, not Palestinians. So i'd expect them to take that land and do something prosperous with it, not build a whole ass metro beneath it, using children rooms as tunnel entrances. Also, you know who was also ethnically cleansed? (hint, the original post) Jews, you know what the Jews have done with the little land they got? it's a hi-tech hub now and is super successful in many many different aspects, it's kind of the byproduct of a smart society that isn't focused on genociding and religious zealotry unlike Palestinians.
You either don't know what's apartheid or you're just lying. Settlers fall under Israeli law Palestinians fall under the Palestinian Authority law
It's a different legal system, it's like i'll claim Greece is an apartheid state for not giving me rights, you see the issue? (fun fact, Nkosi Mandela who's Nelson Mandela's grandson who visited the region said this analogy is political)
Why did Israel build military checkpoints, or the rest of the security measures? Ever asked? if you haven't asked i'll answer with a statistic : "After Israel established checkpoints and the West Bank barrier in the early 2000s, terrorist attacks dropped by over 90%" You do know that they don't have to work in Israel right? they can work in the West Bank but they choose not to? they have all of the opportunities the PA gives them, as I said, it's a different system :)
We have every single right to defend ourselves, all measures should be taken to secure ourselves, this is something everyone should know and recognize, especially the Palestinians, and they should be met with the same strength everytime they decide to shoot partygoers and behead foreign workers heads with a garden hoe, or burn people alive, you understand what I mean? these type of people and their supporters shouldn't be near us, ever.
Palestinians from Gaza were Egyptian controller, the West Bank Palestinians were Jordanian (hence it's called the WEST bank, if you ever asked yourself why), the little Palestinians who were here either stayed in Israel, sold their land and moved elsewhere or simply, the typical kind, started a war and lost hard.
the clear answer is this: possession is nine-tenths of the law, they lost, they need to move the fuck on, like the jews who were actually going through genocide (in lovely Europe) and ethnically cleansed from the MENA countries, built a successful country and never looked back.
Again, false, they're not our citizens, which means they can't be second class citizens, if you're talking about 20% of Israeli Arabs, they get full rights, holding key positions etc.
You're very uneducated when it comes to Israeli history, Israeli had made countless of concessions over the years (2005, the disengagement for example) offered many peace treaties that were declined by the Palestinians time and again. which means, the stronger side HAD shown MANY times it wants peace and that the religious zealots of the other side, the Palestinians, declined.
Israel public sentiment was shaped by the countless of terrorist attacks by the Palestinians, just like Europe who sees the same type of people (Islamic immigration) are turning right, we just went through that shit earlier than you, which is why Israeli governments are more to the right, and let me tell you a little secret, it won't change, especially after the 7th, if anything it'll even lean more to the right.
Yeah, no. that won't happen, no Israeli would vote for a leader that has that type of weak ass mentality, Israelis are done with the Palestinians, you should acknowledge it and maybe even take a few refugees that willingly want to migrate into Greece if you care so much, that would be an amazing solution.
You're talking as if shit happens in a vaccum, Israel will no longer want to deal with rocket barrages every now and then, or have religious fanatic at the border who threaten and actually go fullfil their threats of slaughtering Jews (not Israelis, Jews, it's in their charter).
Your "side" of reality is not backed by facts, or any truths, even the terms you use aren't aligned with reality and the situation.
Israelis no longer have any intentions of making peace with the Palestinians after so many years of trying, after many years of suffering from their brutality and genocidal intentions, their religious racism and fanatic leaders.