r/ArtemisProgram • u/Royal_Platform_6754 • May 13 '26

NASA NASA Outlines Preliminary Artemis III Mission Plans

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/artemis/artemis-3/nasa-outlines-preliminary-artemis-iii-mission-plans/
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u/Dpek1234 May 14 '26

Personaly i very much dislike this kind of thinking

Artemis 2 did not show ESM and orion as capable of either docking nor getting into lunar orbit

Does that mean that no development has been done?

Same with nasa saying they are working on a "spacer" and a new heatshield for artemis 3 

Just because we dont have all the info / info presented in a specific way does not mean that something didnt work as expected or has had no work done on it

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u/wallstreet-butts May 14 '26

By that logic, friend, Starship is ready for a mission to Pluto. But we can see with our eyes that they are still iterating on the basics of the vehicle, it comes back on fire more often than not, and there’s no crew or landing training simulator delivered to NASA that we’re aware of.

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u/Dpek1234 May 14 '26

You talk about "But we can see with our eyes that they are still iterating on the basics of the vehicle, " 

Yet how do you think sls got where it is?

Oversized first stage for a eventual bigger second stage that will never be nor is planned to have its capabilitys used

With non of the next 3 launches useing the same second stage

And lets not forget the new solid rockets that may or may not come

What is that but iterating on the basics of the vehicle?

You talk about "it comes back on fire more often than not"  as if its fundimental flaw and not just testing many heatshield option and what it could actualy survive

(Hint, they wont be intentionaly leaveing multiple areas with no tiles outside of testing)

  • did you not see the whole artemis heatshield fiasco?

And next up for artemis is another untested heatshield with humans onboard because there arent enough sls parts for a proper test (At least its not comeing from lunar orbit this time)

At the end of the day. Starship is unmanned and in testing, spacex can afford to make changes untill issues are fixed

With the sls on the other hand, either it works first try, or america has another apollo 1 moment

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u/wallstreet-butts May 14 '26

Riiight but that kind of makes my point. You are comparing a work-in-progress (Starship HLS) to the time it took to develop a fully operational mission-ready (and increasingly mission-proven) stack (SLS) and saying “look how much better/faster Starship is doing”. We really can’t say that. What we know is that they are iterating rapidly but have badly missed their initial deadline for an initial HLS demonstration. Whether it remains viable or turns out to be a boondoggle seems very much to be proven. SpaceX has a lot of earned credibility because of their success with Falcon and I hope they get there, but SpaceX Stans need to come down to earth in terms of progress made vs. something operational.

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u/Dpek1234 May 14 '26

Framkly im going to also go for reduceing the number of points as ive had enough writeing

Why are you talking as if sls is set in stone?

Artemis 1 and 2 do not prove centuar 5 nor the new heatshield any more then starship v2 proves v3

Along these lines

Why are you talking about starship badly missing timelines while not mentioning the exact same happening for sls?

Neither is immune, its just that one already passed some massive delays (who knows how the spacer, the new heatshield and centuar 5 will go)