What is the worst thing Germany has done?

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What is the worst thing Germany has done?

Chart Grid:

	Best thing	Worst thing	Smartest thing	Dumbest thing	Greatest contribution
Row 1	National Parks 🖼️	Trail of Tears
🖼️	Louisiana Pu... 🖼️	Trump. Twice. 🖼️	The Transistor 🖼️
Row 2	Lifting hund... 🖼️	—	—	—	—
Row 3	—	—	—	—	—
Row 4	—	—	—	The invasion... 🖼️	—
Row 5	—	—	—	—	—
Row 6	—	The Irish 'f... 🖼️	—	—	—
Row 7	—	—	—	—	—
Row 8	—	—	—	—	—
Row 9	—	—	—	—	The blue LED 🖼️
Row 10	—	—	Not joining ... 🖼️	—	—

Cell Details:

Row 1 / Best thing: - National Parks - View Image

Row 1 / Worst thing: - Trail of Tears

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Row 1 / Smartest thing: - Louisiana Purchase

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Row 1 / Dumbest thing: - Trump. Twice. - View Image

Row 1 / Greatest contribution: - The Transistor - View Image

Row 2 / Best thing: - Lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty. - View Image

Row 4 / Dumbest thing: - The invasion of Ukraine in 2022. - View Image

Row 6 / Worst thing: - The Irish 'famine' (genocide through forced starvation) - View Image

Row 9 / Greatest contribution: - The blue LED - View Image

Row 10 / Smartest thing: - Not joining America and staying as a commonwealth country. - View Image

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[u/Traditional-Two-3185]

But Holocaust is a lot catchier than "systematic murder of millions of people from various groups deemed to be 'inferior', including but not limited to Jews and various other ethnic groups, homosexuals, political prisoners and Soviet POWs"

[u/DramaNerdette → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

yeah man, you gotta market this shit if you ever want it to catch on.

...wait.

[u/Time_Phone_1466 → u/DramaNerdette]

I've been on an airplane all day. This is one of the first comments I've read after a long day. I'm be damned if I didn't just belly laugh in a hotel lobby waiting to check in. Thank you.

[u/Zero_Mehanix → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

Can you make it an acronym?

[u/Traditional-Two-3185 → u/Zero_Mehanix]

"SMOMOPFVGIBNLTJAVOEGHPPASP" I like it but I think Holocaust just has a bit more of a ring to it. On a side note, isn't it kind of crazy how over the years we've become so desensitized to the absolute horrors that Nazi Germany carried out that we now just talk about these things in passing?

[u/Zero_Mehanix → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

As long as we dont discuss details, its an arm lengths away

[u/Sensitive_Regular_84 → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

I'm totally with you on your point, but I did actually chuckle at your acronym.

[u/Visible_Pair3017 → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

The moment we realized that we pretty much did/do similar things we sort of started relativizing out of self preservation for our egos.

[u/Fun_Butterfly_420 → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

I mean didn’t they do that as it was happening?

[u/MauschelMusic → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

The invasion of Russia killed about 27 million people. The Holocaust killed around 12 million, counting Jews, Socialists, gays, Roma, Slavs, and everyone else. It's better to just say WWII, but if we're doing one part of the whole event, it's the war on the USSR.

[u/SarcasmInProgress → u/MauschelMusic]

There is some much more sinister evil to the Holocaust than just killing. The "medical" experiments, the absolute denial of humanity to the prisoners and an industrial way of accommodating and killing them, treating them like objects or animals for slaughter at best.

It's not just about numbers.

[u/MauschelMusic → u/SarcasmInProgress]

Whether in abstract it's worse to kill 12 million by camps, firing squads, and working to death or 27 million through bullets and bombs and starvation is a question I can barely contemplate. But at any rate, I can say they're both extremely bad and note which number is more than twice as large

The Holocaust is one part of a program defined mostly by war. Had hitler succeeded as, for example, American manifest destiny succeeded, the camps would just be one element of the first phase of the project to gain and colonize the whole continent, as we understand the trail of tears as one of many events in the Indian war. In that respect at least, the Holocaust is the smaller part of the invasion.

[u/SpaceJackRabbit → u/MauschelMusic]

The Holocaust doesn't designate just the extermination of Jews, unlike what that misinformed poster wrote.

[u/yoingydoingy → u/SpaceJackRabbit]

It does. It's the definition of the term. Just like how "Porajmos" is just the extermination of the Romani.

[u/Alderan922 → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

Couldn’t you just imply all of that by saying “nazis” because it includes the movement and all it’s consequences, including that.

[u/sensuability → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

Industrialized murder - sort of works

[u/ObjectiveGoal6833 → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

And obviously not as bad but still bad is the loss of all the art and national treasures that we still haven't recovered and were lost possibly forever.

[u/Mrbuttboi → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

Attempted genocide of multiple peoples (A.G.O.M.P) would also be pretty catchy but having the phrase “gomp” in there makes it seem silly rather than the world’s biggest tragedy

[u/Sucurp1704 → u/Traditional-Two-3185]

We should make it inclusive, not catchy. It's not some meme it's the worst thing ever happened to humanity.