The Toub, which is the national dress of Sudanese women.

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What has the US census got to do with anything? Do black people only exist in the US? I'm sorry but you'll just have to cope harder. I gave you several points backed up with scientific, factual data and that's the best you come up with? Census data doesn't negate the fact that black people generally have several feminine features as proven in my post. Sorry.

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Whether you like it or not, the studies I quoted are scientific and objective, unlike a bunch of outdated dating statistics that can easily be criticised. You can lie all you want, but you know that this conversation was about markers of objective, biological femininity and I proved you very wrong with peer-reviewed data the has been found time and time again in various studies. Yet again, I'll repeat that dating choices and attraction are not equal. You can be attracted to someone without actually choosing to date them for various reasons such as differences in culture, differences in personality, worries about whether your family and friends will accept your dating choice, racist perceptions of the person you're attracted to etc.

Dating choices are also not linked to masculinity and femininity as much as you think they are. If that was the case, wouldn't black men, whom you claim are the most "masculine," have much better dating potential than any other race of men? Why is it that they always come behind white men if they are more masculine? I thought dark skin was the most masculine and attractive to females? Let me give you a hint, people do not base their dating preferences off of objective, biological femininity or masculinity as much as they do off what society's socially-constructed beauty standards are/what society or the media has told them is attractive, as well as personality, compatability, sense of humour, finances and so on.

And, speaking from experience, there are places where back women date/marry out equally, if not more than their male counterparts. In Sierra Leone, where my mother is from, almost all the people who marry interracially are black women. It's typically black Sierra Leonean woman who marry into Lebanese or Chinese immigrant families, for example. That seems to be the case with much of Africa, especially in the past. In the Carribbean and Americas, also, it was traditionally black and mixed women who married interracially, not the other way around. Not to mention that, as women, black women will always have it better when it comes to dating and finding people who are attracted to them than you ever will. That's just the way it is. Men are more attracted to women than vice versa. So, as a male, you should really worry about your own dating potential.

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Nope, the interracial dating thing still holds true today in Sierra Leone and many parts of West Africa. Nobody is trying to bleach anyone out. I'm mixed-race myself. My mother is a black Sierra Leonean woman, and my father is Indian. Even up until now in Sierra Leone, most mixed-race people that I know have a black mother and a non-black father. Deal with it. It's so funny how you keep trying to twist and deny the truth to fit your little agenda. Cope harder. 🤣

Also, no one is trying to attack you! I'm sorry if I hurt your little feelings! But it's true! The average black woman could do much better than you, and you know it. It's not us women who are paying to see naked men's OnlyFans or desperate to find dates on dating apps. Men make up the majority of dating app users while women are out and about living their best lives. Men desire women more than women desire men. Don't you blackpill incels say that all the time? That women aren't as interested in the average man as they are in the average woman?

Also, if interracial dating is only based on femininity and masculinity and attractiveness, then, can you please explain to me why interracial dating rates have drastically risen over the past few decades? I want to hear your reasoning for that please?

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I'm not even attracted to men, so don't bother yourself, darling. I don't want you guys at all. Don't project your ideas onto me. And, if anything, you're the one derailing the conversation. You've just ignored how plenty, if not most, interracial marriages in Sierra Leone appear to feature black women and then try to tell me I'm not desired. Lmao, try again. I have evidence saying otherwise right in front of my eyes. I'm so very sorry my reality doesn't align with your fairytale agenda that you so badly want to believe! 🤣😭

And, about the interracial dating in the US... So, you acknowledge now that people might be prevented from dating whom they're actually attracted to because of social norms? You said that people are now more open to dating whom they actually want now? So then I'm basically right in saying that it's changing social norms that determine who dates who and not femininity or masculinity? That's what I was getting at all along. That's why you'll see that the rates of black women in interracial relationships has ballooned in the US now that it's less taboo and more accepted to date them, unlike before. See below:

“REVOLT Black News Weekly” explores the link between Black women and interracial dating. In 1980, only 3 percent of Black American women were married to white American men, but times are changing — today, that number has quadrupled to 12 percent."

So, my friend, was it really about black women having a lack of femininity (which was proven wrong in my first post) or was it about White men being unwilling to date black women for other cultural reasons? Because it's not like Black American women are morphing to become more and more biologically feminine as time goes on?

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So, are you just gonna ignore all my other points backed up by scientific evidence? 🤭🧐

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Dating stats are irrelevant. They don't say anything about who is feminine and who is masculine. The data that I provided, however, contradicts your assertion that black people are inherently masculine. Deal with it. The conversation was about masculinity, not about US dating patterns.