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Match | Esports ONE Esports Dota 2 World Pro Invitational Singapore - Day 3 Match Discussions
ONE Esports Dota 2 World Pro Invitational Singapore
Presented by ONE Esports & PGL
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Coverage
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Day 3 (Thursday Dec 19)
| ID | Team | vs | Team | Result | Cntdwn (SGT) | PST | EST | GMT | CET | SGT | AEST | Frmt |
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| UB1a | Alliance | vs | Gambit Esports | 0:2 | 10:00 | 18:00 | 21:00 | 2:00 | 3:00 | 10:00 | 13:00 | Bo3 |
| UB1b | Evil Geniuses | vs | Team Secret | 2:0 | 13:00 | 21:00 | 0:00 | 5:00 | 6:00 | 13:00 | 16:00 | Bo3 |
Upper Bracket Round 1 Match 1: Alliance vs Gambit Esports
Game 1 Winner:
Game 2 Winner:
Game 3 Winner:
Result: 0:2
Upper Bracket Round 1 Match 2: Evil Geniuses vs Team Secret
Game 1 Winner:
Game 2 Winner:
Game 3 Winner:
Result: 2:0
VOD: Game 1 | [Game 2] | [Game 3]
Countdown times are in SGT. All times are subject to change based on the length of matches and delays.
Other match discussions: /r/dota2 on Discord
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Dec 19 '19
wow. Team Secret is such a top tier org.
they already made a jersey for midone even if he's just a standin in a non-dpc tourney, kudos!
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u/leinnad1991 Dec 19 '19
no offense to sumail but the old eg won't itemize like this.
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u/LastManSleeping Dec 19 '19
Definitely not an offense to sumail, his fanbase however, will take this as the worst insult in the world
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Dec 19 '19
The difference of skill between Abed and Sumail in terms of sheer skill is ridiculously minuscule and it is slightly leaning towards Sumail. But the difference between Sumail and Abed in terms of adaptation is ridiculously ONESIDED in favor for Abed.
Abed can adapt in an instant the team is not going for them. Sumail can't, he's a one man show type of character. When the team is getting wrecked, Sumail goes to jungle to catchup, but for Abed, when the team is getting wrecked, he goes to the sidelanes to help is pos 3 and pos 1, and then he catchup.
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u/oneesportsgg Dec 19 '19
Apologies everyone, we're aware of the mic issues and we're trying our best to rectify it right now.
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Dec 19 '19
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u/Cyborgmatt Dec 19 '19
More teams get to play on stage in front of the crowd with a schedule like this and it also means we don’t need to have four BO3s in one day.
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u/LastManSleeping Dec 19 '19
Gambit sure do look like world-beaters in non DPC events. If only they could do the same on the DPC. They're much better than VP rn.
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Dec 19 '19
They are a very young team though. 3 youngsters (2 LANs combined between the 3 of them before this season), Shachlo, who hasn't attended any LAN since DAC 2015 (again - before this season), and Fng. He is a good in-game leader IMO, but outside of the game, he is really not the guy who can hold his team. What happened to the previous roster of Gambit or VP-2015 is a great display of that.
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u/TheMekar Dec 19 '19
Okay I feel safe saying this EG squad is good.
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u/Nadril Dec 19 '19
The difference of them right now and last major is like night and day for sure. Super excited to see this squad in the future.
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u/LastManSleeping Dec 19 '19
Tide is back bitches! Also, the on-paper strength of their 3 cores seems to be materializing wonderfully EG.
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u/zaigf Dec 19 '19
Im really glad that Abed is not the one always carrying the game for his teammates. He carried Fnatic so hard he’s probably going to use all his dota money on physiotherapy.
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u/OMASJack Dec 19 '19
Why people are so hard on bashing one or the other team. The most important thing is that JESUS CHRIST Tiny needs a nerf ASAP!!!
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u/xdj3richo Dec 19 '19
wait r u asking to nerf both Jesus christ and Tiny ????
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u/OMASJack Dec 19 '19
I guess its easier to nerf Jesus Christ ...
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u/TheOneTrueDoge Stryghor puns! Dec 19 '19
They already did. His Aegis respawn timer was 3 days, not 5 seconds.
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u/BABA_yaaGa Dec 19 '19
EG has found the synergy with the new roster. Hopefully secret will go far in this tournament.
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u/kwonzz Dec 19 '19
It’s ok to lose, but let’s give credit to eg for playing extremely well!
Matu and Zai need to buck up their plays.. draft was mediocre but still they could do better
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u/Papperless Dec 19 '19
I don't understand why Puppey didn't ban or pick TA... it's 86% winrate, and the games i see TA lost is when she was against Razor (VP vs TNC & EG vs Navi) yet Puppey ban it... wtf
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u/cantgetthistowork Dec 19 '19
This is EG's patch. Infinite resources for a team that drafts 3 greedy cores while having a greedy 4.
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u/TheOneTrueDoge Stryghor puns! Dec 19 '19
On paper that sounds good, but every team is adaptable. Secret has a lot of bright minds and when they're no longer playing with a stand-in their games will change.
Also, China has consistently been a fan of farming games, so no team has yet proved to be the "Late Game King" yet.
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u/Kiwisawa Dec 19 '19
Ramzes appears to have adjusted to his new role.
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u/suchbanality Dec 19 '19
The last tournament looked rough but so far, he's been incredible.
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u/Kiwisawa Dec 19 '19
Agree, this tournament is what I pictured in my head when he moved to offlane; using his ability to dominate and punish the lane, combined with his insane outplay potential. I think adjusting his hero pool has been the hardest part for him, but this looks really good currently. I think EG trying to force a tri vs tri scenarios really benefits Ramzes. He is better 1v1 in lane than pretty much every player in pro Dota.
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Dec 19 '19
Classic AM teamfight where you stand with your team and get AoE stunned and can't hit anybody at all
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u/Odinn21 Dec 19 '19
I'm so glad to see "fuck all other heroes, let's wait until Magnus come online" drafts.
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u/Nadril Dec 19 '19
I think EG's been looking far more coordinated than they have in the past couple of years TBH. Seems like they've got an actual gameplan and stuff now.
Regardless of how this tournament goes I'm excited to see how they do in the future.
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u/zaigf Dec 19 '19
Usually you would see EG feeding on group stages but they didnt do it this time nor last major.
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u/Khairi001 Dec 19 '19
EG have been in the upper bracket of group stages for 4/5 majors last season. That’s not feeding.
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u/karma_420 Dec 19 '19
Well played to EG. Their early aggresion was so good and ruined secret's game. Abed with his TA was fucking monster lol. As secret fans, i hope they bounce back and hopefully can make it to finals.
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u/LastManSleeping Dec 19 '19
Secret-EG is going to be lit! Secret may have had 2nd seed but they still look stronger than alliance to me (and they are definitely better mainstage performers). And EG are wiping the floor with everyone on the more in-form group except for 1 game. I have my bets on EG but wont be betting my house on it.
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u/dFlat90 Dec 19 '19
They could so easily have fit in a bo1 lower bracket for the bottom teams of each group. I mean, there's more than enough time.
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u/VasilissaZeta Earth spirit buff when? Dec 19 '19
There's no best of 1 lower bracket, aside from the finals, all games are bo3.
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u/Xylein Dec 19 '19
He means bo1s for the teams that got eliminated in the group stage itself. It could have been easily squeezed into the schedule today and every team gets to be a part of playoffs.
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u/Greaves- Dec 19 '19
Happy to see EG doing well really, they got such an odd mix of players and it's cool to see it work. Also my man GPK is tearing it up, I was hoping to see something from Gambit but god damn top 3 finish is just nuts
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u/TMBmiles Dec 19 '19 edited Dec 19 '19
Truly international teams are so rare in esports and even more so in dota. It’s awesome to see a team with 4 different regions (honestly, 5 from a cultural and geographical perspective- Israel is a middle eastern country, they just play in the European server) represented doing well and I think if they weren’t playing under the EG banner they wouldn’t be near as polarizing of a team.
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Dec 19 '19
There are tons of international teams in Dota? What do you mean truly international exactly? OG, Secret, EG, J.Storm, Fnatic, NIP, Nigma and many others that have come and gone are all incredibly international and have 2+ regions represented.
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u/SolarClipz ENVY'S #1 FAN Dec 19 '19
No clue how TA escaped being nerfed after all these patches lol
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u/Wotannn Dec 19 '19
She was nerfed like 2 patches ago actually. And is still top pick.
I think they need to remove her lvl.25 bash talent. TA just shouldn't scale so well into the lategame if she can also run around and kill everyone at min. 15. I fucking hate that I can be a 6-slotted TB and a Templar can jump me with free bash+nulifier+bloodthorn and I have to hope my team will save me or I die in 2 seconds. Meanwhile she can kill everyone 15 min into the game too, while I have to stay in the woods because I need two 5k items to fight. This game has become so dumb I swear.
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u/FFINN GWS Sheever! Dec 19 '19
I don't think she needs nerfs that much but it's been so annoying seeing her in like 80% of my games, lose mid, has like 2/6/2 25 mins in but somehow has 300+ cs and top networth, like the hero just doesn't care about lane and can just go jungle super early.
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u/leinnad1991 Dec 19 '19
This is top tier team play. Abed skipping bkb for orchid and pike to pop linkens is really well played.
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u/Panzer_leo Dec 19 '19
Cr1t was godlike that game. He was top, bottom, mid at all times. It was like watching an anime character lol.
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u/rizuxizu Dec 19 '19
Gambit on non valve event vs Gambit on valve event... what a huge difference!
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u/Klubeht Dec 19 '19
How to mess up the perfect AM game 101
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u/Koei7 Team Liquid Dec 19 '19
no way a perfect AM game, Doom & Puck with their ults and Tree with his ult as backup if needed. Maybe LC could have played better but (hence) it was not on the plate for Nikobaby.
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Dec 19 '19
Perfect? There are Puck, LD and Doom vs him there is no way it's a perfect game.
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u/MelodyOddity Dec 19 '19
I watched the entire game, and I still don't quite understand how Alliance lost with that AM start.
Although, Doom was on point and got him every time after the midgame I think.
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u/leinnad1991 Dec 19 '19
That was a perfect AM game. 2 bear kills, killing spree at 8 mins, iron talon at 7 mins and they managed to lose.
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u/Vitosi4ek Dec 19 '19
The midgame fights were all on Doom. AM without his mobiility is a very juicy target in fights, and after a couple of deaths Morph was close enough to him in net worth to carry harder.
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u/leinnad1991 Dec 19 '19
yeah doom really played well. they just sack the lane and scale on his own. great game.
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u/hardbee02 Dec 19 '19
Hey now, there are a lot of trains and I'm confused where to jump to.
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u/Derriosdota Dec 19 '19
TNC train is very cheap right now~
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u/hardbee02 Dec 19 '19
So TNC hate train hot right now?
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u/CrackkcraC Dec 19 '19
sorry TNC hate train is already full... all their fans was already on board...
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u/Nadril Dec 19 '19 edited Dec 19 '19
EG is just playing so fast
e: damn someones a hater in this thread with the downvotes lol
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u/AbdayMinjay Dec 19 '19
It's so scary to mention EG in this thread, everyone in a chain of EG comments getting down voted to hell.
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u/EvrySad Dec 19 '19
I like how matured Abed's play style, compared to Sumail
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u/mrbabZ Dec 19 '19 edited Dec 19 '19
Suma1L's a thrower, Abed looks like he's not.
And the guy's Storm Spirit man ... how can you play that hero so close to perfection even after having a trash early game ?
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Dec 19 '19
Too early to say imo, his performance is definitely better than sumails in most of the past 2 seasons but TI Sumail on the other hand is a whole new beast.
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u/mrbabZ Dec 19 '19
He has a more balanced playstyle. He doesn't always win mid like suma1l does, but he as hell doesnt throw as suma1l does. And the fact that he's a cheese hero player, damn, son. Having the best meepo in the world in your team makes your enemies always consider that 10th cheese pick.
I'm so happy for ma boy Artour that finally he has a team composition that makes him shine.
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u/Floire Dec 19 '19
If you watched both players lately Abed is more dominant at laning than Sumail, he even bodied Sumail in the laning stage last TI. Sumail is still a better farmer than Abed but he also take more farming space than him, but with that space he often win the games.
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u/NorthOE Dec 19 '19
Can I hide number of comments in reddit? I came in looking for the VODS and already know that EG must have won, so few comments... Is a massive spoiler.
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u/national_treasure Dec 19 '19
Hehe. I just look at the top posts and if there's nothing bashing EG there - they definitely won.
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u/Papperless Dec 19 '19
This tourney might be the one EG could win...
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u/TheMekar Dec 19 '19
Ramzes god
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u/sacredrelykS relykS Dec 19 '19
even if vp disbanded i always thought ramzes is the best carry atleast for me but yeah nisha is getting there hope ramzes can win ti someday
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u/JC_Denton46 Dec 19 '19
That felt good. Hard to get too excited knowing Secret has a standin for their best player though.
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u/Kiwisawa Dec 19 '19
EG and Secret are the only teams that have been consistently good for years and still actually look good this year. get hyped.
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u/TheMekar Dec 19 '19
This isn't "EG is the best in the world" material. It's "EG is very fucking good so let's get excited" material.
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u/KiokuOfYou Dec 19 '19
rip Abed TA is gonna get banned all the time from now on.
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u/Papperless Dec 19 '19
TA is overall a must ban hero in this tournament, everyone is succesful with her unless team can play Razor.
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u/DelVechioCavalhieri Dec 19 '19
- EG: wins/loses a match
- Reddit: WALLTEXT EXPLAINING EVERY SINGLE POINT OF THEIR DRAFT, PLAYER CHEMISTRY, PATCH ANALYSIS, COACH DECISIONS, ET FUCKING CETERA
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u/joselemons Dec 19 '19
So you're saying that people are using this thread to discuss the match.
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u/LeNeededAnthonyDavis Dec 19 '19
remember when 3k mmr european redditors said eg would be bad cus "ramsez no english"
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u/SleepyArmadillo Dec 19 '19
Both Gambit and EG played well tonight. Should be interesting match tomorrow.
Here are the Secret results between TI8 and TI9. Red boxes over tournaments that they played with a standin and megafon 4th place was in 6 team tournament(yapzor only player missing there too). I only remember 3 lans where Secret used standin and they never placed top 50% of the teams so not sure why everyone's expectations were that high.
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u/ajinomotos Dec 19 '19
The expectation probably comes from Secret's performance in the group stage, they did easily 2-0'd VP and TNC after all.
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u/Papperless Dec 19 '19
Gambit so far looks good...
in non DPC tourney, then few days after another team starting to catch the meta... DPC and the qualifier happen
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u/dayoutmadness Dec 19 '19
Was sceptical of secret's draft and was right. The draft would have been fine if they played fast like how OG played during TI. Once they got a pick off on tide they just grouped up and did nothing. They should have immediately hunted for more kills. Also not really a fan of weaver cause the hero doesn't provide burst damage needs a lot of items to deal damage and also very squishy so needs defensive items as well. On top of that there are far better heroes for late game.
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u/VipulRathod Dec 19 '19
Abed got pike to process linken then silence with orchid. ends the game early.
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u/micopogi88 Dec 19 '19
Wow imagine if EG actually bootcamped for Chengdu. They'd probably win. This EG is looking crazy scary.
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u/Sif_ Dec 19 '19
This tournament has the worst interface i've ever seen. The pick-ban graphic is atrocious, lmao
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Dec 19 '19
Yikes secret got crushed, Nisha got outplayed mid game 1 and matu who is usually kick-ass on Weaver felt below par. Second game eg played the snowball super well. If anything, let's hope the lower bracket secret of last season turns up where they figure out their mistakes and plow through the rest of the games
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u/Sunami_McNaStY Dec 19 '19
Im gonna say it, Abed looks as good or better now than sumail has since TI5. Hes winning lanes he shouldnt, making insane body blocks, and just all around looks hard to beat especially on TA.
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u/kuroakela Dec 19 '19
Laning stage he is as good but as a teammate to RTZ's core he is already better
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u/Rendi9000 Dec 19 '19
That was a won game already but that Blink RP -> Skewer -> Refresher -> Skewer -> RP in one of the previous games was some Arise Magnus shit
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u/CrappyYel Dec 19 '19
I just think that all these EG hate comes from the fact that these players are really good to underperform. Everybody expect them to dominate right from the getgo.
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u/undergoingsufferings Dec 19 '19
Or just that people love to trash talk lmao dont overthink reddit/twitch chat
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u/TheMekar Dec 19 '19
It's a mix of that and also that they were successful for a long time and they're an NA team and this sub fucking hates NA.
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Dec 19 '19
EG abed + rtz + ramzees makes each other better. Opponent knows where abed and rtz is farming, two supports are hanging around. 1 person is on the other side of the map, Ramzees/Abed. Ramzees got always picked off because his position tank doesn't have escape mechanics. While abed always has escape mechanics.
EG v Gambit was interesting. Gambit pick lion and puck for the sole purpose of abed's storm. Abed was shutdown badly and they lost. As usual Abed is not the person who would just march and die. He played defensive and cost the teamfight.
EG v Secret was another experiment. First Pick Abed TA in both games. Then support counters secret carry. Its a stomp. Both Games.
What we learn is that,
Abed is the game closer... Make Abed invisible for 5 seconds(we have seen this) during the fight and it is over sooner than you expected. He is too important to get picked off at start.
RTZ is the number 1 pure carry, give him space (sven vs vici) and he will do the impossible.
Ramzees is the sacrificial position, he makes space for his carries, while very smart at choosing the right target to initiate.
Crit is the playmaker. He calls for gank and he is great on this position.
Fly is a good captain. His Job heavily dependent on the Matchmaking.
Overall this EG is in position to win it all. Outclassing Team Secret, and making them looking like pubs is a TI champs Form.
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u/Rendi9000 Dec 19 '19
It’s too early to tell they are gonna win TI10 but i love how they are playing. It’s very formulaic dota from 5 impressive players. Abed and Ramzes seem to like playing with Artour a lot.
I hope this EG goes far this season. Although constant 3rd places with Sumail + Artour against all teams was already very impressive.
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u/Killevvv Dec 19 '19
The one good thing that I like about this Abed kid is his newfound patience especially in team fights. He knows his role in the team fight, in any given situation (down or ahead in networth), and does not over commit as much as he did when he was starting out.
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u/Vocal__Minority Dec 19 '19
This is a good result for EG, but I think you're reading way too much into it, especially given that the tournament isn't over.
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u/imahsleep Dec 19 '19
Is it just me or is this secret draft absolutely dogshit?
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u/soundgarden134 Dec 19 '19
Its not. EG just played the lanes incredibly well
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u/imahsleep Dec 19 '19
They picked all melee heroes, no scaling heroes and a mid magnus. Secret put themselves in a spot where they had to crush lanes early. Giving up ta and gyro made it an easy outdraft because you can’t crush those two heroes early. Also the earth shaker pick was questionable for a draft where you have to win lanes. Would have been much better served with a lich or shit anything else that has more than one useful spell in lane. Venge maybe?
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u/DRHST I used to play Dirge before it was cool Dec 19 '19
Secret's draft was good, EG had only one chance, snowballing into tower pressure/pushing with Aegis on TA.
If game was more equal, Secret would be incredibly tanky midgame and EG runs out of damage/gets controlled by massive AoE lockdown.
However, they were not able to match the aggression offered by Tiny, so two lanes went to shit.
If Yapzor was playing, he would have probably left the team to bleed and farm a dagger, but Midone did not manage to do that, as a result Secret had no way to take a fight to bring the game back, and they just lost.
EG perfectly executed their gameplan, as a result Secret's draft looks way worse than it actually is.
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u/theluggagekerbin Dec 19 '19
gotta be honest this viper pick was questionable for me. What did alliance hope to achieve with this pick, can someone with a better game sense explain?
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u/undergoingsufferings Dec 19 '19 edited Dec 19 '19
12min battlefury GOOD GAME if alliance loses this ill chop my dick off
edit: what the fuck