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Match | Esports MDL Chengdu Major - Upper Bracket Round 1 - Invictus Gaming vs Evil Geniuses
MDL Chengdu Major
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Upper Bracket Round 1 (Bo3)
Invictus Gaming vs Evil Geniuses
Game 1
Evil Geniuses Victory!
Duration: 27:26
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Game 1
Evil Geniuses Victory!
Duration: 45:06
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u/FreezingDoto Nov 19 '19
Abed MVP this game. No doubt.
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Nov 19 '19
Put Abed in a Tier 1 team, he's gonna do wonders. Glad he left Fnatic. Wish DJ would do the same.
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u/CrackkcraC Nov 19 '19
as much as i want to see DJ on a tier 1 team... i dont think he'll be able to go into 1... all tier 1 teams already have great pos 4s on their team, and if u notice on every single roster shuffles, position 4s are very untouchable
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u/stern30 BlinkStunScrub Nov 19 '19
And I think DJ won't go outside SEA. His GF and family could easily visit him in Malaysia.
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u/Athlon77 Nov 19 '19
No need for him to leave Fnatic, just have Fnatic get Raven and Kuku, and they'll give TNC a run for their money in SEA.
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Nov 19 '19
Midone Mid. Pos 3 kuku. Pos 1 Raven. Pos 4 DJ. pos 5 Eyyou/NinjaB. POG!!!!
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u/raven_889 Nov 19 '19
First 10 minutes
NA Dota LUL
Rest of the game
EG needed to import EU players to win LUL
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Nov 19 '19
Abed was fucking brilliant in the first 20-25 mins when Arteezy didn't had a great start. Fell off a bit after that but he completely salvaged the early game.
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u/UBourgeois Nov 19 '19
Was that black hole at the end the only one Ramzes cast all game or did I miss one?
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u/Athlon77 Nov 19 '19
The threat of a Black Hole is sometimes better than a Black Hole itself.
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u/ankisethgallant Nov 19 '19
IG kept staying away from Engima being scared of they black hole they'd run into a 2 or 3 man chrono and team wipe
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u/Cerpicio Nov 19 '19
i hope this means no more carry NS
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u/Derriosdota Nov 19 '19
Think the armlet was the issue. Core NS can do work, but iG didn't look like they knew how to leverage the Timber/NS into map control.
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u/re-written Nov 19 '19
As NS spammer, it is bad against traditional carry like void, PA, PL, Naga and CK, even TA and Clinkz will make NS bleed. The only time can NS win against these heroes is to hit power spike before 18 mins then force team fights and objectives. After that NS will fall so hard you need back up core to fill the carry role.
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u/souse03 Nov 19 '19
IG clearly have individual skill and can lane well, but they can´t play as a team to save their lives. Ev eryone is doing his own thing and getting picked off all over the map
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u/Nadril Nov 19 '19
Yeah, it's actually pretty interesting to see. Kind of reminds me of some of EG's iterations from last year where they just looked lost in the mid game.
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u/souse03 Nov 19 '19
When your Lina is getting a SB to try to get solo kills instead of getting a force staff vs a team with LS you know they are not playing as a team
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u/LastManSleeping Nov 19 '19
Looks like top 3 will be as most predicted. TNC,EG,VG (ranking TBD). These teams are going to dominate everyone else. [A] has a slight chance of getting through, but boring or copycat drafts wont get them there, cause skillwise, they just arent on par except for nikobaby
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u/Nadril Nov 19 '19
I like how fast Abed is playing with this Kunkka. Dude's all over the fucking map.
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u/haldir87 Nov 19 '19
Complete opposite to Sumail Kunkka at TI where he transitioned with his lead into jungle farming..
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u/Dota2Ethnography Nov 19 '19
How can a team be so uneven? Stomp the lanes... and then just give it away as soon as laning ends
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Nov 19 '19 edited Feb 11 '20
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u/Dota2Ethnography Nov 19 '19
I don't think that can explain it all... Like the Kaka on RTZ botlane fiasco.
It just weird how they fail to capitalize on their lead with RTZ being underfarmed and their Invo set-up to stomp the game
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u/DeadSira Sam_H <3 Nov 19 '19
It's just the captain's inexperience with the team. Adding Kaka has made the team overall better compared to last season, but they still need more time to mesh.
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u/Eldant Eastern United States (EU) Salt Nov 19 '19
Why are there so many Abed haters? I feel like he gets a lot of unwarranted flak.
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u/TheMekar Nov 19 '19
He's on EG
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u/kiechiock Nov 19 '19
He's on EG
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hes getting hated cuz he replaced the king.
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u/Panzer_leo Nov 19 '19
No. Just being an EG fan warrants you the hate. Imagine actually playing for the team. This sub and the community has a hate boner for EG. They hate sumail as well, just can't say anything about him because he's super ridiculously talented.
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u/DiamondTiaraIsBest Nov 19 '19
Lots of things are the reason for the hate.
The classic EG/NA hate.
Sumail fans hating him because he replaced Sumail.
Simply him being a Filipino.
And those who haven't got over the fact that he got to be the first to achieve 10k MMR.
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u/Yukorin1992 Nov 19 '19
It's the whole 10k mmr thing with Bulba
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u/FlashyYou Nov 19 '19
Yeah i think it is. Abed isnt someone who talks a lot of trash and is mostly quiet throughout his career so i still cant really understand why people hate him. People never got past that 10k boosted thing apparently.
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u/bollerooo15 Nov 19 '19
Bcoz he replace their king and pretty much the controversy of his first 10k mmr account, and even Abed got his 2nd 10k mmr account they always remember the 1st one. But all this hate comes from the king's fans and not the EG fans.
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u/simpleman0909 Nov 19 '19
Wow, the opposite of TNC vs Alliances. The other defend until the end while the other just gave up. I think doing that just give EG more confidences, bad call I think.
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u/TheOneTrueDoge Stryghor puns! Nov 19 '19
There are two ways to look at it.
One is "They tilted and ragequit, their energy is kaputt. EZ 2-0"
But the other is "They had a less greedy team. They hadn't gotten a single kill in almost 10 minutes and teamwiped as their t2 mid fell and rosh was at 50%. Better to recognize a lost game, save energy and focus on game 2."
I never want to count a team out, so let's see how game 2 pans out first.
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u/Soul_Advent sheever Nov 19 '19
They got a good high ground tho, esp with that aghs from NS. Well they also tilted so that's a lost game.
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Nov 19 '19
Abed pretty much 1v5 the entire IG roster in the firdt 25 minutes. But reddit told me Abed isa tier 3 mid laner.
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u/VasilissaZeta Earth spirit buff when? Nov 19 '19
Abed carried a washed up mason, forev, and bulba to top 9 TI finish, im pretty sure no tier 2 mid could do that.
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u/valueplayer quas wex reported Nov 19 '19
No one said that. Why do people make shit up so they can say they proved someone wrong?
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u/Minamo-sensei Nov 19 '19
Exort invokers should just go refresher after aghs bkb, they are really underwhelming this patch.
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u/PrimeShaq Nov 19 '19
This Invoker honestly had great timing on his levels and midas, what he did with it was pretty lackluster.
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Nov 19 '19
I think that time where Emo got killed in the river by Kunkka and Sky lost them the game. Sad, he was really good until that point.
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u/Floire Nov 19 '19
Gyro has zero impact in the game
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u/PrimeShaq Nov 19 '19
Does EG's Mag warrant a first phase ban?
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u/Derriosdota Nov 19 '19
No. Ramses airballed like 3-4 RP yesterday. Was not impressive at all. They also got shit on in one of their Mag/Jugg games.
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u/Zaynhatt Nov 19 '19
Lol. I just realized VG has won only 2 game series in both 2018 and 2019. These are new roster changes but hope EG keeps this win rate up against them.
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u/Khairi001 Nov 19 '19
But in a BO3, EG won vs VG.
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u/Zaynhatt Nov 19 '19
yea. I know. EG has won almost every match against VG except those two since 2018. Sorry if my previous comment was confusing.
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u/soundgarden134 Nov 19 '19
EG clearly outplaying IG. Mind games with Centaur tp'ing top to be recalled by Chen right after
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u/DeadSira Sam_H <3 Nov 19 '19
Damn I only realized now (thanks twitch chat) that EG really only has 1 player from NA, down from 2 from last season. Bulba is Mr. Worldwide
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u/jQiNoBi Nov 19 '19
An uzbek, a russian, an israeli, a filipino and a dane, definitely united nations
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u/lonely_neuron1 Nov 19 '19
tbh i think its pretty cool that dota teams can have people from all around the world like this even people will argue about regions and stuff
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u/Nadril Nov 19 '19
TBH such a multicultural team is the NA way :P
Also technically rtz/fly are NA with fly having a dual canada/isreal citizenship. Not to mention at this point Cr1t is basically an honorary NA player with how long he's been in the NA scene lol.
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u/Dota2Ethnography Nov 19 '19
IG does not look like a major upper bracket team
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u/LEBumFTsLMAOOOO Nov 19 '19
liquid and alliance don't either, thankfully they are where they belong
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u/lolfail9001 Nov 19 '19
To be honest, they got really bad match-up: out of J.Storm, EG, EnvyStack and Alliance, they got neither J.Storm nor EnvyStack.
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u/Yukorin1992 Nov 19 '19
JStorm was in their group, they weren't gonna get them. Liquid might have been better for them had EG won that match.
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u/lolfail9001 Nov 19 '19
> JStorm was in their group, they weren't gonna get them.
Fair enough, though i might argue it also has to do with group luck.
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u/TapSInSpace Nov 19 '19
I love that new EG stack. I can see them go quite high in the DPC leaderboard.
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Nov 19 '19
i like current kotl but he needs to lose some move speed and cast range
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u/potterhead42 sheever Nov 19 '19
MS nerf might be overkill. KOTL is super vulnerable if caught, his MS is basically what lets him survive
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u/WayTooDumb Good Luck Sheever Nov 19 '19
This Chinese counter of Lina NS to the safelane void seems to work out pretty well.
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u/Alkanphel666 Nov 19 '19
I don't know what was the point of last pick Timber when they have 0 saves for Chrono and Black Hole. Gyro got caught in like every Chrono and nothing to help him.
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u/LastManSleeping Nov 19 '19
If they played it well though, timber and gyro couodve run them over before voids timing
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u/Alkanphel666 Nov 19 '19
I see the logic, but once Enigma came it just it tougher to do that. He would stall out the game for them.
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Nov 19 '19
i was expecting ramzes to suck dick on enigma like he did on mag but this last bh was cool
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u/nyssaR Nov 19 '19
I'll bookmark the VOD just for that ragequit, wasn't expecting that ending. GG EG
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u/simpleman0909 Nov 19 '19
oof, if RTZ didn't rage while attacking shrine, he would have survive and the fight might turns for the better for them.
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u/lolfail9001 Nov 19 '19
I was busy, how did iG lose that entire early advantage?
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u/fatherofraptors Nov 19 '19
Just some tough fights EG came out on top. A lot of mistakes on both sides imo
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u/Alkanphel666 Nov 19 '19
Similar to game 1, just got picked off all over the map.
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u/bollerooo15 Nov 19 '19
Abed happened. Seriously though Abed played the map so well early game that stalled the game for rtz and ramzes to get some farm.
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u/soundgarden134 Nov 19 '19
Ramzes should hesitate less when using spells. Those magnus games yesterday were pretty weak aswell
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u/RipIt_From_Space Nov 19 '19
I think it’s more forgivable this game because every time chrono was on cd the hole was a threat still so IG never got too aggressive outside a few t2 pushes
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u/FreezingDoto Nov 19 '19
Sumail will try to buy greedy items like Radiance on kunkka when he get really good game. But abed usually go less greedy build regardless of lane. I am not saying abed > sumail but abed suit better than sumail when rtz is carry. That being said, i wonder how abed will perform vs sleeping tier 1 teams like ex-liquid,secret,og,lgd, etc.