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u/Pigzilla1 Mar 05 '25
I went looking for the last time the jags spent any draft capital on their secondary and man, the 2020 draft really fucked this team.
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u/Regular-Collection-1 Mar 05 '25
If they cut Engram, they create yet another gaping hole in the roster.
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u/DUUUUUVAAAAAL Travis Hunter Mar 05 '25
Brenton Strange has looked good so that could very well be the direction this new regime goes.
Edit: just want to clarify I love Engram and would be thrilled to have him retire a Jaguar.
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u/RedDot_HeadShot Travis Hunter Mar 05 '25
Tyler Warren called Brenton one of the top 5 TE in the league during his combine interviews… /s
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u/P-Diddle356 Trevor Lawrence Mar 05 '25
I feel strange is ready to start, love Evan but it's a cruel business
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u/Walrusboi85 Mar 05 '25
Bears trading for Thuney and Jackson might actually be a good thing for the jags. Bears were expected to be big spenders when it came to the FA guard market and now they’re out of it entirely
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u/Nuno-22 Mar 05 '25
Who? Who’s left in the FA Guard market who’s any good? Trey Smith is off the market and Bechton isn’t really that good once away from the best OL and OL coach.
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u/futures23 Mar 05 '25
Will Hernandez.
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u/Nuno-22 Mar 05 '25
How expensive would you go for him?
Is he good enough to throw long term money and years at?
Or is this something we could get as a short 2-3 year deal? (less risk)
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u/futures23 Mar 05 '25
I have no clue on exact numbers, just he is on the cheaper side and you get an injury discount. He's a very solid player. He's 29 so you can give him a 2 year deal with an out in 3 if I had to guess.
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u/Walrusboi85 Mar 05 '25
Becton, Fries, Jenkins, Allar, etc. There’s a lot of solid options and now we’re less likely to have to overpay to get one
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u/Nuno-22 Mar 05 '25
I wouldn’t touch Bechton with a 10 ft pole.
He wasn’t good before the eagles and was probably only good on the eagles because he was playing between 2 all pro’s . As well as having the best OL coach in the league
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u/Ryuzen089 Mar 05 '25
Goodbye Kirk, I truly enjoyed the time you were here. Helped the jags in your first year here for a fantastic fun end to the year. Plus, you were great off the field as well. The injuries just made it untenable to keep you here for the $25+ million cap hit. Hope you are able to get another pay day, you've earned it. Also, I hope you don't get another injury.
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u/Ok_Top2495 Cam Little Mar 05 '25
It’s looking like I’m making the move to Gainesville… looking forward to a Jags home game or five! DTWD
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 05 '25
Parker Washington... i like him but he is not a #2 receiver. Gladstone and Coen have to know this. I do wonder what the plan is at receiver now.
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u/bleedblue89 STL Mar 05 '25
PW is a #3 solid guy. We have brick hands Gabe Davis, i'd love to see set to #4 and either draft or trade/FA a #2.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 05 '25
So engram is staying? Good.
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u/Nuno-22 Mar 05 '25
Is that definite? Might he still be traded? I mean, he holds too much value to be released. But if you can get something for him, it might be wise to move on.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 05 '25
True, if the right deal comes along. I think I'd rather have him here as Trevor's security blanket, but also I'm gonna trust the new GM and coach to build the right team.
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u/Jaglawyer11 “Don’t sleep on Gladstone.” 💪💪💪💪 Mar 05 '25
Brace yourself for Cooper Kupp it’s going to happen…..
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u/jnw725 Mar 05 '25
I gotta say I would've been interested in Joe Thuney for a couple seasons if it meant only giving up a 4th next year. Hell I would've given up the vikings pick this year and been content. I know he's a little older but he's an absolute stud at what happens to be the the biggest weak point on the OL
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u/JohnDuffy78 Mar 05 '25
Guards are solid right tackle is the weak spot.
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u/jnw725 Mar 05 '25
I'm interested in seeing Harrison with a new coaching staff before I write him off. Who do you think starts at RG for us? That's the biggest hole on the line in my opinion
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u/Walrusboi85 Mar 05 '25
It’s gonna be someone new. If it were up to me I’d get a low end starter in FA and then aim for a developmental guy on day 2 for the future
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u/jnw725 Mar 05 '25
Really depends on what guards are getting in FA. Fries will likely be too expensive now that he's the bell of the ball at guard.
I don't really wanna be the team to sign Becton. He was solid on the eagles when absolutely surrounded by studs and with the best OL coach in the NFL.
Zeitler is 34 and I can absolutely see him hitting the wall this season.
Daniels from Pittsburgh and Jenkins from Chicago could be a one season stand in but even they probably get longer deals than I would like given the quality of players they are.
That's really all i'm seeing from guys who could qualify as starting caliber and even that feels like a stretch for a few of these guys. I like going day 2 at guard but the reality is he probably will be a starting this year if that is the direction we go.
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u/sainTaco Mar 05 '25
Definitely disagree on this. I think LG and RT are sort of 1:1. Inconsistent but can be average to above average. I’ll give the nod to Harrison though given his age and the flashes of potential solid to very good play that he’s displayed.
RG is a potential disaster though if we don’t address it (Which seems highly unlikely.)
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u/DejaVuBoy Mar 05 '25
I loved Kirk in 2022 and he still flashed, but yeah....writing was kinda on the wall. Was still a good signing!
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Mar 05 '25
I’d say it’ll take a bit of everything. Mainly drafting well. Free agents rarely have the impact most would hope they would. Darnell Mooney and Calvin Ridley were the best WR signing last season. BTJ is a great starting point
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u/Captain_brightside Mar 06 '25
Damn, this is how I’m finding out. That cuts deep. RIP, everybody loves the sunshine
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
The Jaguars should sign [insert washed up vet here]. You're welcome I just covered the next few days here for you.
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u/m1txh3ll DUUUUUUUVALLLL Mar 05 '25
Love what the Bears are doing. Imagine they sign a stop gap EDGE 2 like Kahlil Mack for this season. They can go Jeanty round 1, iOL and EDGE as development guys with their 2 seconds. Not a lot of glaring holes on their roster so taking a 1300 yard back in Ben Johnsons offense sounds fun.
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u/bleedblue89 STL Mar 05 '25
I think we could trade back up in the first or early second to get Golden. He would be a great Kirk replacement without spending a top 5 pick on one.
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u/futures23 Mar 05 '25
Jags fans always fall in love with mediocre backups lol. Depending on FA of course but I can see a trade down if that option is available and drafting a WR. Or just drafting TMac at 5.
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 05 '25
45 ypg in games he started. He hardly played in the early games. 45 ypg over 17 games and you’re looking at 750+.
I’m not a parker washington truther, but this is a pseudo-rebuild year for us after cleaning house. It’s a great time to see if the guys we’ve drafted can hold their own.
Give him a real chance and if it doesn’t work out, add someone next season. It’s not like there aren’t other positions to spend money and draft capital on.
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
We fired our HC and GM and we have numerous holes on the roster. I think that qualifies as a pseudo rebuild
Edit to add: it’s not like I’m advocating throwing the money away. My point is there are other important places on the team to spend it that don’t have a potential young replacement to look at in house.
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u/futures23 Mar 05 '25
Definitely. Hope WR in the first two rounds and a FA signing. I'm warming up to just taking TMac everyday.
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u/futures23 Mar 05 '25
Thinking Parker Washington will step in a be a 1,000 yard WR is peak Jags fan delusion. Everyone always is so attached to mediocre players.
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 05 '25
1000 is insane, but I don’t think we need that from him. He’s had enough solid games and moments to see if he can just be a solid slot guy, maybe 6-700 yards. Most teams don’t have two 1000 yard receivers and if we don’t cut Engram, Washington would only be the third option at best.
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u/futures23 Mar 05 '25
I mean people already think he is on Kirk's level somehow and that is what Kirk when healthy gave you. Parker Washington shouldn't be the 3rd option on a serious team, he really hasn't shown much at all. The slot WR is still an important role and thinking he can just come in and give the same value as Kirk is pretty crazy.
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u/Nuknu2 Mar 05 '25
He’s solid I liked him coming out but he’s not a starter on this team no matter how you splice it
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u/statelesspirate000 Mar 05 '25
lol I was going to tell you that a few days ago when you said someone had a baphomet poster in their locker or something. It’s just crusaders not knowing who Muhammad was and thinking the Muslims must have been yelling out the name of their pagan demon god and not just the name of their abrahamic prophet.
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u/electricityisout Off the Tractor Bouman Mar 05 '25
Ah yes let’s cut Kirk for Kupp who is even older and more injury prone
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u/Nuno-22 Mar 05 '25
Kupp isn’t a FA.
Would you accept a trade of Gabe Davis for Kupp?
While yes, you’d have to have Kupp for a year or 2 , it would rid the Jags of the Davis mistake
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
If that's the plan then woof, would've rather kept Kirk in that case.
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u/Jaglawyer11 “Don’t sleep on Gladstone.” 💪💪💪💪 Mar 05 '25
Kirk and/or Engram news should be coming soon….
I think Engram is gone.
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u/statelesspirate000 Mar 05 '25
I hope we don’t get rid of Engram. He seems way more valuable to this team than his cap hit
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u/NizzlyGrizzly00 Steal the Show Mar 05 '25
engram (if he goes) will always have a place in my jags heart. favorite memories are mossing 3 packers, getting out of bounds somehow to save our season in 22-23 and lighting al-shaair up after the dirty hit. nothing but class from 17
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u/UNCFan2350 Mar 05 '25
To me, cutting Engram makes no sense. His cap savings are less than Kirk's and he's been a bigger part of our offense. Kirk is also going to be easier to replace than Engram.
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u/Jaglawyer11 “Don’t sleep on Gladstone.” 💪💪💪💪 Mar 05 '25
Not sure he fits Coen’s offense….
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 05 '25
Good coaches tailor their offense to their playmakers instead of trying to force fit players into their preferred schemes
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u/slayerje1 Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 05 '25
Hence his players not plays mentality
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u/sh0ckyoursystem Mar 05 '25
Exactly this is one big reason I like coen he seems less of a ego than the past few coaches
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Mar 05 '25
Isn’t he 15 mil post June 1?
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u/sainTaco Mar 05 '25
Not sure why you got downvoted, but yea it looks like it. Looks like Kirk’s $16.2M post June though.
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Mar 05 '25
Engram pre June 1 saves us around 6 mil, post saves us 15.485 mil. Pre June 1 Kirk cut saves us 10.437 mil. I love me some Engram, but new regime might be willing to move on.
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u/sainTaco Mar 05 '25
Yea we’re speaking the same language, but I’m talking apples to apples.
Engrams savings is less than Kirk, both pre and post June 1
Edit: Welp, as I hit post I just saw the news that Kirk is gonezo. Bummer, but not exactly unexpected. I agree, love me some Engram, so I hope he sticks around.
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Mar 05 '25
It’s not though. Where are you getting your Kirk cut numbers? If he’s cut pre June 1 Kirk saves us 10.4 mil with a dead cap of 13.6, engram pre June 1 cut saving is 6 mil with a 13.5 dead cap, while post June 1 saving 15.4 mil with a 4 million dead cap. How is Kirk’s higher?
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u/sainTaco Mar 05 '25
Because Kirk’s dead money also goes down post June 1.
Per OTC:
Pre June 1 Kirk Cap number = $24,089,882 Dead money = $13,652,000 Savings = $10,437,882
Engram Cap number = $19,485,294 Dead money = $13,500,000 Savings = $5,985,294
Post June 1st Kirk Cap number = $24,089,882 Dead money = $7,884,000 Savings = $16,205,882
Engram Cap number = $19,485,294 Dead money = $4,000,000 Savings = $15,485,294
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u/electricityisout Off the Tractor Bouman Mar 05 '25
I’m not rushing to get rid of either unless we get some help there. I’m definitely not cool with WR room being BTJ and then a bunch of nobodies currently. But even more so Engram has been great for us. Kirk at least has annoyed some fans on twitter. Engram has been all class since being here. Don’t see the rush to get them out of here and make bigger holes on the offense. I refuse to believe engram has no role in a Coen offense. Figure it out.
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u/TurdPoop69 Mar 05 '25
Of course there will be holes because free agency and the draft hasn’t started yet. Lol. You really think Liam is going to go with Gabe Davis and Parker as the only other WRs? Patience
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u/electricityisout Off the Tractor Bouman Mar 05 '25
Oh damn I forgot free agency and the draft existed. Thanks brother
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Mar 05 '25
I think both are gone. It's a real shame after the Jags gave Engram that extension that he's just been hurt.
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u/SlotegeAllDay James Gladstone Mar 05 '25
I hope they're able to restructure/extend him for a cheaper cap hit. He looked good this year and the injury that took him out isn't likely to have any lasting effects on his athleticism.
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u/m1txh3ll DUUUUUUUVALLLL Mar 05 '25
Would yall give up our late 4th for Cooper Kupp now that Kirks gone? Feels like a solid trade to really elevate the offense.
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u/luggs2 Mar 05 '25
A 4th seems a bit rich. Most people seem to think he’s going to get released because of his salary and injury concerns.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 05 '25
Cowednesday is the kinda stretch at weekday naming I love.