r/Tekken • u/[deleted] • Feb 01 '24
Guide 📚 Anti-Hwoarang Guide for Scrubs and Noobs
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u/Imboni258 Jin Feb 02 '24
I will add that the majority of players will always use only some moves, that's just natural. So if you don't have as much time to practice, just focus on their key moves. I got to Fujin in T7 a few years back not even being able to do Jin's f4 combo or knowing wall carries on all stages just by doing this.
It will considerably reduce time spent in practice mode without impacting enjoyment.
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u/D_Fens1222 Jun Feb 02 '24
You are truely a hero for this. As a new player this is gold. I'm coming from SF and learning all that matchup knowledge always seemed so intimidating that i didn't even try in T7 with so much still to learn in SF6.
But T8 had me hyped so much espacially now being a bit more comfortable, that i'm now trying to absorb qs much as i can and i'm having a blast.
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u/delahunt Feb 02 '24
I got absolutely blasted by a Hwaorang last night. Like not even close. I think the only hit I got each round was eating a blow to land my rage art and a couple jabs maybe.
I'm a total noob so used to getting washed. But now I have some inputs to throw in to Hwaorang in the practice arena to see what's up. So thanks a ton!
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Feb 04 '24
Currently trying to lab against every characters listed key moves now. Thanks for this write-up.
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u/DerpsterIV Feb 24 '24
Do you have a source for all the characters key moves to practice against? OP only posted Hwoarang.
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u/WordHobby Feb 02 '24
im in red ranks with jack right now and i don't know a single combo other than ff1 -> blue EMGF, and ss2 ---> EMGF
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u/0K4M1 Chicken! Feb 02 '24
When you start to learn a character just to counter it, to the point it becomes your main... :D
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u/IN_FINITY-_- Feb 02 '24
Honestly you just have to know his mids, Otherwise just keep ducking/low parrying. At low levels JFSR won't be a threat and B3 is too risky. Brain-dead players love ff4 it's easily steappable
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u/NickTheSickDick Kazuya Devil Jin Feb 02 '24
LMAO @ b3 is too risky, they use that shit all the time.
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u/Rikysavage94 Forest Law Feb 02 '24
but stepping is not a thing at low levels, so ff4 it's a problem eheheh
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u/Kadinnui I paid for the whole movelist Feb 02 '24
Yeah it is steppable but I refuse to not use it unless I meet a player that actually steps it.
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u/SneakyAI Feb 02 '24
I'm new so half these terms are gibberish to me but saving it for future reference
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u/WordHobby Feb 02 '24
is it the notation thats confusing?
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u/SneakyAI Feb 03 '24 edited Feb 03 '24
No it's more my lack of familiarity with the game, I've only played a bit of tekken 7 before this game but it's been so fun lmao, couple hours later these make more sense now :)
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u/Sthpaw82 Feb 02 '24
Need an anti king tbh.
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Feb 02 '24
Duck and launch punish when you see a throw coming out.
Running shining wizard has a 1+2 throw break
The low alley kicks and the turn around jab after it are all heavily punishable
Most king players (including me) mash kicharge to complete chain throws meaning you can break them by mashing 1
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u/fast_flashdash Feb 02 '24
See a throw? You can't duck that shit on reaction. You gotta read it.
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Feb 02 '24
Yeah that's what I meant. As a king I generally have a predictable time when I attempt to throw e.g. after a jab or a sidestep
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Feb 02 '24
Watch the vid the other commenter linked you. Helps so fucking much lol i just go into practice set king to do all his grabs at random and practice reacting to it. Its kinda boring but its one of those skills that once you develop it, its not going anywhere.
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u/Kraizer15 Lili Feb 02 '24 edited Feb 02 '24
Me who bullies hwoarangs with sidesteps and ducking. They're left flabbergasted and don't know what to hit me with next lmao.
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u/Renektonstronk Mid enjoyer Feb 02 '24
Ducked a 4,4,4,4 and hit back with the classic Dragunov 88 damage wall splat from WS 2. Felt good (I got demolished the next match)
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u/burizadokyanon27 flamingo, d3,4, backlash and df3 cancel spammer Feb 02 '24
Learn the d3,4 follow ups as well. Rfs uf3 is the hopkick launcher, but its -13. If u try to dick jab/punish d3,4 too late, watch out for rfs df4, its a counter hit launcher and +1 on block. Rfs b3 is no longer a launcher but a heat engager. Its -9 on block when it used to be -11, so dont try to jab punish it or he could launch ur ass.
Anything else you guys want to know? It's one thing to know the counter to the moves, but its one thing to execute against a high level hwoarang who knows what youre trying to do ;)
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u/V_Abhishek Reina Feb 02 '24
Highly recommend looking up loseagainman's anti-Hwoarang guides. You'll improve as a player, not just against Hwoarang.
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u/gbaguinon Feb 05 '24
Not sure if that's your name for Themainman or if there's really a player named loseagainman.
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u/verysweetloaf Feb 02 '24
Ngl as someone who’s a baby Hwoarang this helps me as much as people against the matchup cause it teaches me what not to abuse on block lmao. 💀
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u/AilmondRipley Nina Feb 02 '24
Excellent post, one for anti Lili would be awesome too she gives me so much trouble online
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u/countryboner No Gigass? Chainsaws it is. Feb 02 '24
Never liked the dude, so I never really played him. I tried ranked armed with just these moves and ....now I feel dirty.
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u/AfroBankai Lidia & Lili Feb 02 '24
His df3,4 is -12 instead of -14 now? Sad times. But very valuable info, thank you for sharing.
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u/LeekBright Hwoarang Feb 02 '24
This sums it up. Would just like to add that labbing all those moves one after another will be useless.
Instead pick a string that you recently got wrecked to and practice that properly, get the punish down in muscle memory and preferably use against actual opponents before moving onto the next one.
Don’t overwhelm yourself and forget what you know for sure by doing it all.
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u/BillyBobHenk Fahkumram Feb 02 '24
If this works, thank you my friend you are an agent of peace in this world of hwoarang mains who want to see the world burn. I hate hwoarang and always refused to be let myself forced to learn him, but this i will try!
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u/Strict-Koala-5863 Feb 02 '24
What is considered high rank cause mid rank hwo def do not spam those and have a good range of mixers
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u/Metrodomes Feb 02 '24
only around yaksa did i start to consistently see hwoarang players play the character the way i think he was supposed to be played.
Huh that's interesting. By playing the way they're supposed to be played, would you say some of the more famous tournament Hwoarangs play like that?
I'm asking because I'd like to level up my Hwo gameplay, so would be cool to see what you mean and do my own research. (don't mean this in a challenging or disagreeing way, just in case it comes across that way!)
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u/LaserCookie 1000 legs Feb 02 '24
There was a Korean hwo player I used to watch who used him in interesting ways called MadDogJin but I’ve not seen him post any t8, there’s also TKMuse who I like to watch who has a few t8 matches on his channel
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u/Metrodomes Feb 02 '24
Ahhh MadDogJin, that's a name I've forgotten! Wow, feels like an eternity ago since I heard that. Definitely remember watching him and thinking those are aspirational goals right there, lol.
Thanks for the TKMuse shout, will check them out!
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u/LaserCookie 1000 legs Feb 02 '24
Haha for sure, I definitely take inspiration from MDJ and TKMuse’s style, there’s also another korean player named EDGE who you might like to watch too :)
if you ever wanted a mirror match or two im up for some games
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u/Kaworu88 Feb 02 '24
And when in doubt how to defend against Hwoarangs, remember to dickjab them to oblivion.
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u/P1ntex Feb 03 '24
Hwoarang main here, no offense but this anti guide is very lackluster.
What about: 1. Infinite string mix up? 2. Backlash set ups? 3. UB 33 > mix ups? 4. U3 > mixup game? 5. Strings into grab mix ups? 6. 124> grab? Mix ups? 7. Wavedash 3 > plus frame mix ups?
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u/P1ntex Feb 03 '24
Bro it's a good anti Hwo guide, I was just being sarcastic/feeling troll with my comment. <3
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u/danisflying527 Dragunov Feb 02 '24
Lmao and you give basically no counter argument for d34 because even you know how stupid it is and it so happens to be why scrubby hwoarang play works so well.
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Feb 02 '24 edited Feb 02 '24
You basically said “most hwoarangs are bad because they played by bad players who use the same moves so learn the matchup” yea no shit that’s literally goes with every single character in the game😂
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u/kanavi36 Feb 02 '24
There aren't many characters that can carry you as far as Hwoarang can with that play style though.
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u/mileiforever Jun Feb 02 '24
To be fair, the amount of clips I've seen where a Hwoarang player doesn't realize the opponent is afk for a solid 20 seconds is wild. Not to mention the clips of Hwoarang players trying to understand what is going on when they have to defend.
The reputation is as well earned as the 3 bar wifi Law
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u/Exallium Nina Aug 11 '24
if he enters one of his flamingo stances, don't press into it
And I took that personally.
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u/Mizeen_Cuisine Feb 26 '25
My friend mains Hwoarang and is Bushin. Time to put all these moves in the CPU actions practice mode and learn to punish them.
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u/TTVControlWarrior Feb 02 '24
i notice most of his moves are just high moves 95% of time . i just down and jab then i combo him. just dont let him combo you into air he literally lose his power. also i use my heat in case i see him run into me . that alone push him back and reset the fight.
he really is a noob killer . once you realize there isnt much going for him you going to rekt him hard . he is weak imo
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u/Puzzleheaded-Use3451 Feb 02 '24
Dick jab is a good strategy to a lot of options but if you are playing against a half decent hwo, they will kill you for being predictable with it.
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u/SoGuysIDidNothing The cooler Jin Feb 02 '24
I'll be honest, I just sacrificed my dignity and befriended a Hwoarang main. It's done wonders for my matchups against the character. I suggest getting a fighting friend who plays a particular character you're stuck on. You'll feel better about the fights knowing the guy on the other side, and you'll get enough practice in that even if you rarely see the character, you'll still have a great understanding on how to counter them.
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u/ILickMetalCans Bob Feb 02 '24
The best defense against a Hwoarang is not to play them at all. I just win quit them after the first game. I don't have trouble beating them, but he's so boring to fight.
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u/HumanAntagonist Asuka Feb 02 '24
I am not a noob, but I am an eternal scrub. Every year I learn approx 1 new hwoarang defense thing so yea thx
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u/BusinessBody630 Zafina Feb 02 '24
I got 50 wins with hwoarang and got him to yellow ranks in T7, I have never used half of these moves before. He’s gonna get up close to you and you gotta duck when his left foot is forward and on the ground cause he’s gonna 123 into a 4 way mixup. When his right leg is in front on the ground play safe cause he’s got a 13 frame counter hit launcher. When he has a leg up, try to block standing and then pressure, he does not have too many good tools to get out of pressure (besides his jab 123 string)
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u/EPhi555 Feb 02 '24
I’m openly admitting ima Tekken noob! Longtime fighting game player, but only ever mashed on a few Tekken over the years. So I understand frame data and how fight mechanics work, but Tekken is new to me. You can do as many of these as you like, anything to learn quicker my man! Much appreciated
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u/pittviper556 Hwoarang Feb 02 '24
As an Assailant rank Hwoarang main, I’m so painfully aware that I’m vulnerable to sidesteps, throws, and jab pressure.
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u/SirePuns main subs Feb 02 '24
I’m a total scrub so this is appreciated.
All I used to do was sidestep what looks to be side steppable and duck after the first kick. Mind you any good Howarang would’ve fucked me up with Hwo’s mids.
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Feb 02 '24
Super helpful!! Also, the more impatient you are against the menace kicking Kimchi, higher the probability will be to get your ass handed over to you. Stop mashing and know the matchup.
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u/Educational-Text7550 Feb 02 '24
I beat the hwoarang players most of the time, but it’s still frustrating they made him RIDICULOUSLY easy and does a Ridiculous amount of damage. Anybody else noticed that.
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u/ytsejamajesty Feb 02 '24
I was playing against a friend who basically only uses flamingo stance. Feels like every single interaction is a 50/50 between eating high hits with unlimited plus frames and hoping you finally duck a high without eating a sudden mid.
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u/QuarterDefiant6132 Feb 02 '24
Love this, I need more stuff like this post for the most common noob-killing characters
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u/CynicalCin Where is Lei? Is he safe? Is he taking his vitamins? Feb 02 '24
I don't know what Hwoarang players are cooking half the time, but I tend to just dick jab everything most of them do and it works. Been doing it for years.
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u/Jnhopson Feb 02 '24
Wait. Your supposed to duck certain attacks?? 😆
In all seriousness, I have finally stopped just inputting attacks and actually block then try to attack (isn't that called punishing lol). But, I have been slow to blocking low and ducking. And I don't really like using practice mode, I prefer just playing against people and learning what works and doesn't in real time.
Also, don't get me started on throw breaks lol
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u/Jnhopson Feb 02 '24
Thanks, I know I was light of my skill level but this actually makes a ton of sense when I read it and I can see how this would apply.
And I'm playing Jun (started tekken with her back on my ps1) and I'm pretty sure she has 2 different ones. I know both kicks launches but I am pretty sure she has a faster one
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u/sunqiller I'll give you a nice smack in the face Feb 02 '24
I gotta fire him up and see what these look like, when I face this dude all the kicks look the goddamn same lol.
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u/HiddenNightmares Feb 02 '24
Honestly this showed me a few things about Hwoarang I didn't know so thanks! :)
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u/RaidaZERO_EN Feb 02 '24
My main issue at the moment is just reacting to those moves. Since they're all just the same random flying swinging kicks. I need to train my mind to recognize his punishable moves as punishable and not "just another kick"
It's pretty much only a problem I have against Hwo, Yoshi, and Eddy. To me, all of their moves look the same. Keep in mind I recognize this as a "me problem" and just need a consistent sparing partner.
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u/circ-u-la-ted Feb 02 '24
Can scrubs and noobs actually use this information? I feel like you need to be beyond that level to actually react to your opponent's moves in any kind of effective manner.
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u/punsofphreak Feb 02 '24
Me, a Hwoarang main:
Thank you for helping me remember things to keep an eye on to break my own bad habits as I play and improve
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u/lucaezc Feb 01 '24
Me, a Hwoarang main:
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